Playing with good players increases your assists. Both Ronaldo and Suárez have a good amount, most of them are simple sideway passes.
Luis Suárez
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Playing with good players increases your assists. Both Ronaldo and Suárez have a good amount, most of them are simple sideway passes.
DonAK
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Was 110m last summer I believe. Removed now from what I know.
serghei
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Pretty much. The chances of Messi and Suarez changing at 30+ years old are very slim.
It's either a manager makes them change or one of them needs to be sold, and that can only be Suarez. The problem is that both these decisions lie in the hands of Valverde and the board, both of which are pussies.
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
re-quoting my post for this page:
For what it's worth, Benzema has 4 CL goals this season which is as many as Suarez has last couple of seasons + this one. Lewandowski has 21 goals in his 26 last CL games.
Then where does the blame lie? Our striker is scoring at a pathetic rate compared to other very good or World Class strikers. Is it him? Is it our midfield? Are we not creating enough chances? I thought Rakitic and Busquets were indisputable starters and absolute World Class.
Why does all our goals come from one player only, and through mostly individual actions from him too?
For all the criticism gone Messi, Rakitic, Busquets and other players way, Suarez has gotten scot free of it. His performances and actual contribution in the CL in recent times is probably the most pathetic I've seen from a supposed World Class striker in a long time.
For what it's worth, Benzema has 4 CL goals this season which is as many as Suarez has last couple of seasons + this one. Lewandowski has 21 goals in his 26 last CL games.
Then where does the blame lie? Our striker is scoring at a pathetic rate compared to other very good or World Class strikers. Is it him? Is it our midfield? Are we not creating enough chances? I thought Rakitic and Busquets were indisputable starters and absolute World Class.
Why does all our goals come from one player only, and through mostly individual actions from him too?
For all the criticism gone Messi, Rakitic, Busquets and other players way, Suarez has gotten scot free of it. His performances and actual contribution in the CL in recent times is probably the most pathetic I've seen from a supposed World Class striker in a long time.
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Leo_Messi
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Suárez's goalscoring record in the CL, in particular in the past 3 seasons, is indeed worrying if not outright pathetic. However it is just underlining our struggles in the CL, in particular when playing away against compact opponents. It is quite baffling as the same Suárez has no problems (generally speaking over the past 3 seasons) in scoring against Atlético and RM in the league. Away from home included.
It must be a mental thing. Similar to Messi having subpar performances against Atlético in the CL (2014, 2016 and 2017) while otherwise scoring for fun against them in the league.
Obviously Messi and Suárez and other seniors and leading players have simply not performed as well as they should have been performing in the CL. There have been many explanations and theories why that happens. Everything from wrong tactics by the likes of Lucho and Valverde to even lack of motivation (hard to believe) to the team having problems coping with compact teams.
To me the issues are obviously multi folded but the major issue seems to be a mental one. Otherwise I find it hard to explain otherwise. That and the team grumbling under pressure along with the managers and their tactical preparations. Part of the mental package so to speak.
I am not even sure if the players know why the CL performances have been so unlike what the consistency seen in the league against the likes of RM and Atlético have shown in the same time period.
Forgot the fatigue part and us as a team being burned out in the late winter, early spring period due to our engagement in the CdR, lack of rotations and overall (less so nowadays) inferior rotation players compared to the likes of RM, Bayern, City and others. Seniors playing in meaningless games before crucial CL ties when the league is practically decided is not helping. Even the likes of Suárez publicly admitted to that. Let us see if they will commit the exact same mistakes this time around. We will get a little taste of this tomorrow night.
It must be a mental thing. Similar to Messi having subpar performances against Atlético in the CL (2014, 2016 and 2017) while otherwise scoring for fun against them in the league.
Obviously Messi and Suárez and other seniors and leading players have simply not performed as well as they should have been performing in the CL. There have been many explanations and theories why that happens. Everything from wrong tactics by the likes of Lucho and Valverde to even lack of motivation (hard to believe) to the team having problems coping with compact teams.
To me the issues are obviously multi folded but the major issue seems to be a mental one. Otherwise I find it hard to explain otherwise. That and the team grumbling under pressure along with the managers and their tactical preparations. Part of the mental package so to speak.
I am not even sure if the players know why the CL performances have been so unlike what the consistency seen in the league against the likes of RM and Atlético have shown in the same time period.
Forgot the fatigue part and us as a team being burned out in the late winter, early spring period due to our engagement in the CdR, lack of rotations and overall (less so nowadays) inferior rotation players compared to the likes of RM, Bayern, City and others. Seniors playing in meaningless games before crucial CL ties when the league is practically decided is not helping. Even the likes of Suárez publicly admitted to that. Let us see if they will commit the exact same mistakes this time around. We will get a little taste of this tomorrow night.
Arizona Scott
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I think the point below is more relevant than any kind of lack of motivation and mental hex unique to the CL. Too often our best football is November, December and January. Couple times we nearly got chased down in league as well after nice leads. Also some years Messi and Suarez had to have some intense international breaks in the spring instead of rest there, hopefully different this year.
The only other thing I'll add is sometimes simple defending hasn't been tight. That is the only way you give up 4 goals to Roma, 3 to Juve, 5 to PSG, across 2 legs. You have to have major defensive breakdowns and lose focus. Both the Roma and Atletico ties were lost from winning positions, even the Juv final we won we let them back into it. Some times you have to be happy to win against packed and talented defensive teams by tie scores like 2-1.
The only other thing I'll add is sometimes simple defending hasn't been tight. That is the only way you give up 4 goals to Roma, 3 to Juve, 5 to PSG, across 2 legs. You have to have major defensive breakdowns and lose focus. Both the Roma and Atletico ties were lost from winning positions, even the Juv final we won we let them back into it. Some times you have to be happy to win against packed and talented defensive teams by tie scores like 2-1.
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Vilarrubi
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He is one of the players that need to be rested the most tomorrow.
So, he will start and play the 90.
I’d rather him score a couple for his confidence going into the Lyon game then get subbed off... I’m not Valverde though.
Bigkingleo10
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The risk is too high that he just has misplaced passes without any goal which would decrease his confidence against Lyon
We should start experimenting more with Messi as the CF/false 9. I don’t think he can or should play RW much longer. I can’t believe we’re over half way through the season and we haven’t seen a front line of Dembele-Messi-Malcom once?
Before anyone say’s 4-4-2. I despise that formation.
Before anyone say’s 4-4-2. I despise that formation.
Love the Messi flanked by Dembele and Malcom
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