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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnidrologist View Post
    He seems one of those players, who are (at least potentially) great at what they do, but all around bat fit for Barcaball. And not just because Valverde is kinda crappy coach. He wouldn't fit even under good one if we maintain the style we're used to in last decade or so. We suffer from players, who can't seem to circulate the ball quickly, think fast. Even Ronaldinho today would be criticized for slowing the play down, showboating too much and fail to track back. Ronnie barely defended and, when he did it was usually atrocious and ended with foul.
    You are defending him.
    I personally don't think it has to do anything with EV, Barca, any coach or how slow we play currently.
    Dembele just sucks for the highest level currently.
    Also, comparing him with Ronaldinho is a blasphemy.

    Ronaldinho was a useful player for 90 minutes, creating, making good decisions, being a brain of a team all the time.
    Dembele is good for 5 minutes and horrible in the other 85 minutes, struggling with basics of football.
    Ronaldinho needed one season to make as many basic mistakes with a first touch and simple passes as Dembele is making in 90 minutes of any match.

    Ronaldinho won a World cup in 2002, aged 22' and was one of key players.
    Dembele, aged 22 plays as if he has an IQ of a 8 year old kid.
    Further, Ronaldinho was and would have been a world class player with or without Barca.
    On the other hand, my personal opinion is that Dembele will be one of those players who will fail in every big club and will eventually settle in Dortmund, Lyon or similar.
    I don't see how he could be a starter long term (once when a coach and teammates figure him out) in any of big teams. (Note: Dortmund is a not a tier 1 of elite clubs).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kul_z View Post
    I love dembouz, but if its true what media is putting out he's a one dumb unprofessional little scumbag. I've been couple of times in barca and without any lessons i can ask on spanish or catalan for directions, order a meal, usual touristic questions and answers what would i normally in any other country ask/speak on english. I dont find it that hard, especially if you work there and love the city. God bless players like ter stegen and rakitic, professionals to the bone.
    When we signed Van Bommel on a free transfer in 2006, he has spent the whole summer in Eindhoven learning Spanish.
    And when he signed for Barca and came to a presentation, he asked journos: please, speak in Spanish, not in English.
    He stayed here only 1 season, but learned Spanish perfectly and tried to learn everything about Catalan culture, history etc.
    I remember one interview with him where he talked about Catalan food, and trying to learn how people in Barcelona are celebrating Christmas and other holidays.
    On the other hand, some players don't learn a word of Spanish in 2 years...

    Seeking to strengthen his already title-winning squad, Frank Rijkaard signed Van Bommel on a free transfer for Barcelona. Van Bommel spent the summer prior to his move to Spain learning the Spanish language in a convent in Eindhoven.
    His superlative performances in the Eredivisie, as well as some impressive performances in the Champions League and UEFA Cup had attracted the interest of teams from across the continent, such as Real Madrid and Borussia Dortmund. Eventually, van Bommel opted to sign for FC Barcelona – one of the many teams supported by Mark at a young age – on a free transfer. Upon his unveiling at the club, van Bommel famously asked for the journalists to direct questions at him in Spanish. Prior to his move to Spain, he had been learning Spanish in a convent.


    Football and being a world class player, a starter in biggest clubs and being a leader, is way more than having a natural gift for shiny dribbles and passes.
    If you don't have IQ, a huge motivation, if you are not 100% devoted and focused, if you are not a fighter, your career in 2020 and 2024 will be Roma, Tottenham, Lyon and similar. Not Barca and Real.

    And one more time, imo, guys who think that EV is guilty are deluded.
    You guys should wait for his next club.
    My estimation is that he will as equally as lost, wherever he will go.
    He is just a kid, not ready for top class football.
    I am not saying that all 22 years old kids are not ready. But this one is surely lost and miles and miles from being ready for a biggest stage consistently.
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    Did he maybe become too much of a play-maker too early in his career and lost sight of his identity as a player when he got in over his head at Barca?

    Neymar was 100% a winger at Dembele's age. He built his play-making abilities slowly and gradually by learning from Messi and synthesizing a style that complemented his way of dribbling. But he still built it off a foundation as a winger. Even in his last season for us, his primary utility was still going past people out wide, making runs, and receiving balls. Mbappe is still very much a winger. It doesn't stop him from occasionally drifting inside, but he knows where he belongs and what he can do out there.

    When he came here, it seemed logical that the role Dembele had in Dortmund would slot in perfectly. He could dribble both out wide and slalom through the middle, combine with Messi, put in crosses for Suarez and utilize his newly developed play-making and passing abilities. What I think went wrong is that he got too unfocused. He didn't know where to start, so he started nowhere, when what he should have done was just going simple as a primitive winger, who could then gradually learn how to slot in his more sophisticated skillset with his new teammates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    And one more time, imo, guys who think that EV is guilty are deluded.
    You guys should wait for his next club.
    My estimation is that he will as equally as lost, wherever he will go.

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    He was never a great dribbler, he relies on speed and space as his touch isn't very good. Germany is more of a high pressing counter-attack league so he is probably more comfortable there.

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    Think the problem was that he missed training and didn't notify anyone. When club tried to call him he was unavailable for hour or so until he said he was sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barcaman View Post
    Think the problem was that he missed training and didn't notify anyone. When club tried to call him he was unavailable for hour or so until he said he was sick.
    Absolutely disgraceful. It's no secret that I don't think much of Dembele compared to Malcom attitude wise but at least now 100 people will not call me a troll when I crtisise him.

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    He has been discriminated against by the pro-Madrid media since the beginning of the season. he warned his club I do not see the problem

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    When we catch the gastro, for 1h or 2h, it is very difficult to do anything, but he still managed to tell his coach.
    new evidence of harassment against the boy!

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    I've never had Gastro. Do people not wash their hands with soap and hot water?

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    At this point, I want to believe they have an agenda against him. Cause nobody can be that stupid. Have a job, they're paying you 12 mil - and you don't call in sick. Hopefully fined, if this proves to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxim4 View Post
    When we catch the gastro, for 1h or 2h, it is very difficult to do anything, but he still managed to tell his coach.
    new evidence of harassment against the boy!
    Tell to your friend (Dembele) that in a big world, the opponents will do all sorts of dirty tricks.
    Like fake news in media to make you lose your focus and concentration.
    Publishing stories about your cheating on taxes, cheating on your girlfriend, being involved in a hookers scandal and similar.
    Writing all the time how a club will be willing to sell you.
    Before an important semifinal CL match, papers from your opponent (for example: Barca vs Juve) will write how Juve is interested in you in the next season.
    The opponent's fans will sometimes sing infront of your hotel and you won't be able to sleep at night before semis.
    The opponent's fans will boo at you at the games and yell rude things.
    The opponent's defenders will call you ugly names and make dirty little fouls during 90 minutes and trying to make you lose your mind.

    This is not Disney World, in real life people and the opponents are using 100s of lies and dirty tricks.
    Your fiend will need to learn how to handle those.

    If not, Roma, Lazio and Lyon will be his teams in 2022'.

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    One thing's for sure. Catalan press are quick to report and exaggerate.

    I'll judge Dembele on the pitch and so far he's been exciting and unselfish. Work-rate leaves something to be desired though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    He will be sold this summer.

    12 Months ago when some fans mentioned that he is not good enough, and how he should be sold and similar, we would see 10 angry replies and insults to each of those posts.

    Today, we are not even getting insults anymore for saying that Dembele is not good enough.

    That says a lot.

    Majority have lowered their opinion and expectations from Dembele.
    See? This old one feeds on the negative comments that he receives for the trolling! So, the best thing would be to ignore!!

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    Dembélé did a specific job. All is well .
    https://twitter.com/FranceFCB/status...764405760?s=19

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