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    Sisoko will play in that position anyway because Deschammps is that stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Looking at the minutes played and his output:

    Dembele has played cca 1000 minutes of football for Barca. He has 4 goals and 6 assists.

    Looking at Leo's minutes (as one of our most played players: cca 3700).

    Now, let's say that Dembouz played cca 3000 minutes. He would have 12 goals and 18! assists. Fucking 18 assists at that rate. If this doesn't scream potential, I don't know what does.
    2009/2010 season:

    Messi 53 matches, 47 goals
    Pedro 50 matches, 23 goals
    Ibrahimovic 45 matches, 21 goals
    Bojan 36 matches, 12 goals
    Henry 32 matches, 4 goals

    So, Ibra was tied on the 2nd place with Pedro (roughly) in terms of goals per appearances.
    Yet, he was shipped away because he wasn't a good fit.

    Nobody is saying that Dembele doesn't have potential.
    Or that he won't be a good player.
    Or that he can't create magic.

    But it seems that both EV and the board would rather return money invested in him (in 2018 or 2019) and try with someone else who could be closer to our current (or future) style.

    You guys can whine all you want, but Suarez will be a starter in the next season surely.
    We just won a double with Messi-Suarez duo, and that is all the board is asking for.

    So, we'll just play:
    Suarez
    Messi
    Coutinho-Rakitic-Busquets-Griezmann

    With Dembele entering as a sub.
    Or Paulinho/Denis playing some matches.
    If Arthur will get some minutes later in the season, then it will be even too crowded in the middle for EV.

    Griezmann or Coutinho will play as a winger in 442 instead of Dembele.
    If we'll play 433, EV will play Griezmann-Messi-Suarez.
    Or even Coutinho on the left instead of someone.

    So, if we want to be realistic and not too emotional, Dembele will very likely be a sub in the next season and he will play equally as in this season or even less.
    And unless if he'll explode (with limited playing time), the board will rate his season as average and not worth 150M investment.

    And you can tell what you want, but the end of the day, we didn't buy a 150M guy to start to be a key player in his 5th season at the club.
    The club wants wonders right now.
    Yet, a coach doesn't like his style.
    Plus, we have just bought another guy (Griezmann) who will play at Dembele's position more or less.

    Nobody has a crystal ball.
    Dembele could explode in the next season and turns into a new Messi, who knows?
    But if he'll play like he played in the last 2 Months, that probably won't be good enough for the board.
    Last edited by BBZ8800; 17th May 2018 at 07:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    2009/2010 season:

    Messi 53 matches, 47 goals
    Pedro 50 matches, 23 goals
    Ibrahimovic 45 matches, 21 goals
    Bojan 36 matches, 12 goals
    Henry 32 matches, 4 goals

    So, Ibra was tied on the 2nd place with Pedro (roughly) in terms of goals per appearances.
    Yet, he was shipped away because he wasn't a good fit.

    Nobody is saying that Dembele doesn't have potential.
    Or that he won't be a good player.
    Or that he can't create magic.

    But it seems that both EV and the board would rather return money invested in him (in 2018 or 2019) and try with someone else who could be closer to our current (or future) style.

    You guys can whine all you want, but Suarez will be a starter in the next season surely.
    We just won a double with Messi-Suarez duo, and that is all the board is asking for.

    So, we'll just play:
    Suarez
    Messi
    Coutinho-Rakitic-Busquets-Griezmann

    With Dembele entering as a sub.
    Or Paulinho/Denis playing some matches.
    If Arthur will get some minutes later in the season, then it will be even too crowded in the middle for EV.

    Griezmann or Coutinho will play as a winger in 442 instead of Dembele.
    If we'll play 433, EV will play Griezmann-Messi-Suarez.
    Or even Coutinho on the left instead of someone.

    So, if we want to be realistic and not too emotional, Dembele will very likely be a sub in the next season and he will play equally as in this season or even less.
    And unless if he'll explode (with limited playing time), the board will rate his season as average and not worth 150M investment.

    And you can tell what you want, but the end of the day, we didn't buy a 150M guy to start to be a key player in his 5th season at the club.
    The club wants wonders right now.
    Yet, a coach doesn't like his style.
    Plus, we have just bought another guy (Griezmann) who will play at Dembele's position more or less.

    Nobody has a crystal ball.
    Dembele could explode in the next season and turns into a new Messi, who knows?
    But if he'll play like he played in the last 2 Months, that probably won't be good enough for the board.
    Ok, but you would keep playing Suarez with his current form (which was also his form during most of the season). We need to start rebuilding and that means shipping Suarez away, while we can still get some money for him and before he turns into a donkey for 100% of the time. Sadly, our board doesn't realise that.

    Every striker that plays next to Messi would benefit from him, greatly. I just think loaning out a 21 year old player, who wants to prove himself in favour for 31 year old Suarez (who has the same amount of CL goals this season as Dembele and is a far bigger defensive liability) is very, very stupid.

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    Ibra was shipped away as Guardiola didnt like his attitude and Messi wanted to play centrally more than any fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Ok, but you would keep playing Suarez with his current form (which was also his form during most of the season). We need to start rebuilding and that means shipping Suarez away, while we can still get some money for him and before he turns into a donkey for 100% of the time. Sadly, our board doesn't realise that.

    Every striker that plays next to Messi would benefit from him, greatly. I just think loaning out a 21 year old player, who wants to prove himself in favour for 31 year old Suarez (who has the same amount of CL goals this season as Dembele and is a far bigger defensive liability) is very, very stupid.
    It is not the case that every striker or attacking player benefits from playing with Messi though.

    They have to give up more for their game than would at just about any other club.

    Dembele has not looked great as a 'team' player but has looked good more on an individual level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    It is not the case that every striker or attacking player benefits from playing with Messi though.

    They have to give up more for their game than would at just about any other club.

    Dembele has not looked great as a 'team' player but has looked good more on an individual level.
    Exactly. That's showing the lack of playing with the team. Even Coutinho has just started to settle in. Every match they play they look more as a part of the team. That's why I think he should have a whole season with the team, before we even start thinking of loaning him out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Exactly. That's showing the lack of playing with the team. Even Coutinho has just started to settle in. Every match they play they look more as a part of the team. That's why I think he should have a whole season with the team, before we even start thinking of loaning him out.
    Loaing him is crazy.

    Not a fan of selling him but if it meant strengthening midfield or RB for example could be for the better.

    Dont think he will leave anyway and hope he keeps developing.

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    I'd rather sell Suarez than him.

    He didn't fail so I'd give him one more season. Let's see if Valverde can integrate him and play to his strengths. I can see us playing great counters with him and Griezmann.

    New coach after Valverde should have his say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamDav1982 View Post
    It is not the case that every striker or attacking player benefits from playing with Messi though.

    They have to give up more for their game than would at just about any other club.

    Dembele has not looked great as a 'team' player but has looked good more on an individual level.
    You’re right on both counts however, I feel Dembélé still hasn’t come to grips with the tactical side of Barça’s game. When that happens the whole team will be better. I think he also needs a ball carrier on his side of midfield to move the game forward a bit quicker.

    Regarding Messi and players giving up sides of their game... This is true but conversely Messi can adapt his game to just about anybody if he wants to. So it’s a little give and take as far as that is concerned. He’s changed elements of his game twice in 3 years for Suárez alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laplacian View Post
    A week ago OD created the first goal and scored two. Scored an important goal against Chelsea, had a man of the match performance against Malaga, and so on. He has performed in almost every game he's started.

    Some people here are just blinded by hatred. lol
    Go back and re-read.

    I was quoting his stupid remark stating Dembele has 'shown nothing.'

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    He is so young and so good. Even the hopeless Deulofeu got a second chance to fail miserably, because he is too selfish, so I think it would be fair to say that a top-2 talent in the world deserves more than one injury-prone season to get integrated. He made a mess in Dortmund to play with Messi, not to score goals and be main man. Any smart coach can teach him and the team how to get the best out of him, while utilizing our other incredible talents as well. Any loan or sale would be the biggest mistake in years.

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    This is how all our signings can play. Plus, we also field a young squad, which can play for ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donatello View Post
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    This is how all our signings can play. Plus, we also field a young squad, which can play for ages.
    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Ok, but you would keep playing Suarez with his current form (which was also his form during most of the season). We need to start rebuilding and that means shipping Suarez away, while we can still get some money for him and before he turns into a donkey for 100% of the time. Sadly, our board doesn't realise that.

    Every striker that plays next to Messi would benefit from him, greatly. I just think loaning out a 21 year old player, who wants to prove himself in favour for 31 year old Suarez (who has the same amount of CL goals this season as Dembele and is a far bigger defensive liability) is very, very stupid.
    Both of you: this is forum.
    Our forum has an opinion that Suarez is finished and that we should sell or bench him.
    But, we won 3 out 4 La Ligas in the last 4 years since we bought Suarez.
    He scored 110 La Liga goals in 129 matches.
    Even this season he has 25 goals in 32 matches.

    But, our forum has an opinion: get rid of Suarez and play Messi-Dembele, Messi-Griezmann or Griezmann-Messi-Dembele attack.
    Messi is Messi, he will score 30-40 goals in any combination.
    Dembele is not a goalscorer.
    Griezz is a new guy. We have to see whether he will score or he will be a weird silent striker.

    Personally, I agree that Suarez is weaker than before.
    But I would NEVER bench him for Dembele, lol.
    I wouldn't go from 2 guys who can score (Messi-Suarez) to 1 guy who can score (Messi-Dembele).
    What is the point?
    To get rid of goals so that we could get dribbles on the wing?

    About Griezmann, I see that people are talking in his thread how Messi-Griezz duo will be lethal.
    Well, let's see about that.
    They are both short and fast.
    And none of them is a true attacker, to some extent.
    Messi-Griezz duo (without Suarez) could easily turn into a debacle.
    But again, let's wait and see.

    So, I would personally drop Suarez ONLY if Griezmann will turn into a crazy goalscorer in Messi-Griezz duo.
    If Messi-Griezz will suck, we will need Suarez back.

    Anyway, I have no idea why are people mentioning Dembele and Suarez in the same line at all.
    Those two are connected more or less like Busquets and Coutinho.
    Totally different positions and duties on the field.

    Anyway:
    1. Suarez brought 3 titles in 4 years
    2. he is a friend with Messi
    3. we need a true CF on a field and not 100s of silent strikers and creators where no one can score
    4. Suarez played 99% of matches in this season

    So, this idea about dropping Suarez and playing Dembele, exists only on Barca's forum, and not in heads of EV and coaching stuff.

    So guys, if you can fit Messi, Suarez, Griezmann, Coutinho in one lineup and THEN add even Dembele, fine.
    Because all 4 will be higher in a pecking order than Dembele.

    Also, these ideas about Suarez on the bench and playing Messi-Griezmann or Messi-Griez-Dembele: what, are you trying to get 5 defenders on Messi?
    Since Suarez is the only guy who is drawing defenders AWAY from Messi.

    I already have huge fears about Messi-Griezmann partnership, with Luis on the bench.
    I would personally rather play with Suarez and his clone than with 2 silent strikers without a true CF.
    But again, let's wait and see.

    In short: Suarez will be our key player and a starter in the next season.

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    will he be playing right back for france as well?

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    He just posted on his instagram a picture of him reading a french newspaper talking about Tuchel's plans. He has a great relationship with Tuchel.

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