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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    He's always drifted centrally from RW though because he's not an out an out winger.. I think any problems with the right side is more on the midfield and RB than Messi.
    But Messi doesn't just drift centrally, he abandons his position all the time. Stretching the midfield wide etc.

    Of course it's on the midfield and RB because there's no one else there more often than not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan Laporta View Post
    But Messi doesn't just drift centrally, he abandons his position all the time. Stretching the midfield wide etc.

    Of course it's on the midfield and RB because there's no one else there more often than not.
    I honestly can’t remember how that was an issue that season.. I went to a few games in 16/17 and watched every other game on TV and all I can remember is how good Messi was.

    Can you give me any examples or games where Messi stretching the midfield affected us? Genuine question, I really can’t rememer that well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    I honestly canít remember how that was an issue that season.. I went to a few games in 16/17 and watched every other game on TV and all I can remember is how good Messi was.

    Can you give me any examples or games where Messi stretching the midfield affected us? Genuine question, I really canít rememer that well.
    No better example than Barca PSG 0:4.

    Messi was great (noz that game) but it wasn't the best setup for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan Laporta View Post
    No better example than Barca PSG 0:4.

    Messi was great (noz that game) but it wasn't the best setup for us.
    I was meaning just Messi’s affect rather than the 4-3-3 in general.. but that comes back to what I’ve thought for a while, a 3 man midfield with Rakitic/Busi/Iniesta was mostly ineffective and even worse without possession... rather than it being on Messi.

    I still believe a competent 3 man midfield with Busi as CDM and Messi RW would work. Probably without Roberto RB too.

    Also just remembered.. Gomes started at RCM for us that game... says it all really.
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    Barca could bring Kante, play him as a CM to cover the middle and the right area, his energy, speed and stamina should be enough to do that. Let Busquets play as a DM and Messi at RW. I think the main issue would be when Kante goes to right area to cover Messi. In that case, our CF (Suarez probably) should drop to help in the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felipetonelo View Post
    Barca could bring Kante, play him as a CM to cover the middle and the right area, his energy, speed and stamina should be enough to do that. Let Busquets play as a DM and Messi at RW. I think the main issue would be when Kante goes to right area to cover Messi. In that case, our CF (Suarez probably) should drop to help in the middle.
    But it's Suarez. He's even less likely to drop back than Messi.

    As it is now we can't really rely on those two when we don't have the ball, as I've seen many point out in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xaviniesta View Post
    This thread is cancer. Show some respect to Busquets. Have you people forgot what are team looks like when he doesnít play?
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    Busquets and Pique are past it. They will do great in 90% of the games but in big matches against cl elite clubs they will be exposed... yet again.

    Kante over Busquets anyday at this point in time.

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    Busquets is still great when he plays as the sole DM. He had a pretty good tournament for Spain. If we play 4-3-3, he is the best option at DM. He just can't function with another DM next to him.

    But, if we want to play predominantly 4-4-2, I think we should get Kante and play Kante-Rakitić in the most important games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    Busquets is still great when he plays as the sole DM. He had a pretty good tournament for Spain. If we play 4-3-3, he is the best option at DM. He just can't function with another DM next to him.

    But, if we want to play predominantly 4-4-2, I think we should get Kante and play Kante-Rakitić in the most important games.
    Well that's not true. He did win a WC and a EC with Xabi playing right beside him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryagorn View Post
    Well that's not true. He did win a WC and a EC with Xabi playing right beside him
    He underperforms now almost every time wihen Rakitić is playing next to him in 4-4-2, meanwhile when he plays as the only DM, he is pretty great.

    EC and WC were a long time ago and there was probably the best attacking midfield ever in front of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    He underperforms now almost every time wihen Rakitić is playing next to him in 4-4-2, meanwhile when he plays as the only DM, he is pretty great.

    EC and WC were a long time ago and there was probably the best attacking midfield ever in front of them.
    Yeah well that's the problem. The blame has to be taken equally by under performing Rakitic and the old age Iniesta or even the lack of pressing from up top fro that matter or the stupid 4-42 formation!

    Moral of the story is: Busi has shown he can be part of a double pivot in a 3 man mid field unlike the popular belief here or may be just your opinion


    I don't think we can call even Rakitic as an under performing player considering how he has helped us win a treble by scoring in a CL final while playing in a 3 man mid field

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    Quote Originally Posted by FCBfan22 View Post
    He underperforms now almost every time wihen Rakitić is playing next to him in 4-4-2, meanwhile when he plays as the only DM, he is pretty great.

    EC and WC were a long time ago and there was probably the best attacking midfield ever in front of them.
    + Xabi Alonso was a miles, miles better player than Rakitić.

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    Like I said we either have to bench Rakitic or Busquets. Just dont think these 2 can co-exist side by side.

    Busquets still provides alot of control and distribution in the centre park but in a 442, Busi is very limited and have to turn defensive which is not his forte at all. Rakitc on the other hand benefits from a double pivot, but in games where we need to stretch the opponents and switch to a 433 he can't deal with the pressure of bringing the ball forward, especially if it's possession football. Very very limited.

    I think we should just try:

    433 (My strongest 11)
    Suarez-Messi-Dembele
    Coutinho-Busi-Arthur
    Alba-Umtiti-Lenglet-Semedo/Roberto

    OR

    Dembele-Suarez-Messi
    Coutinho-Busi-Arthur

    and if we see the game out more defensively:
    433/442
    Coutinho-(Kante?)-Rakitic-Dembele

    4231 is a no-no. Messi cannot play CAM in big games and Dembele is not a wide midfielder.

    I dont see Busquets getting dropped from the starting 11, and EV would be very hesitant to drop Rakitic. It would fail in big games tho and we dont have a wide midfielder for 442, especially with the Busi-Raki double pivot. Best option now is to stick with 433, accomodate with Busquets instead of Rakitic, benefits both Messi and Dembele.

    Interesting to see how EV would utilise this bunch before he will be shown the exit for another CL failure.

    BBZ style post, I know.

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