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    The Nicola Tesla of football.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RIZALDINHO View Post
    Busquets is the best defensive midfielder ever. he is a brilliant footballer to watch and he is the probably the 3rd most important player at barca after messi and iniesta he is does not get the credit he deserves.
    One could argue he is more important than Iniesta.

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    He definitely is more important than Iniesta. No question about that. If Messi is the source of energy fueling the machine that is Barça. Busquets is all the precise engeneering supporting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gatsu View Post
    He definitely is more important than Iniesta. No question about that. If Messi is the source of energy fueling the machine that is Barça. Busquets is all the precise engeneering supporting it.
    Even back in Pep's Barça, Busquets was one of three key players whose absence was most felt:

    Messi
    Xavi
    Busquets

    When any of those three were off the field, the game wasn't anywhere near the same level. All three are footballing geniuses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BerkeleyBernie View Post
    Even back in Pep's Barça, Busquets was one of three key players whose absence was most felt:

    Messi
    Xavi
    Busquets

    When any of those three were off the field, the game wasn't anywhere near the same level. All three are footballing geniuses.
    Absolutely not true, I think you haven‘t witnessed the Pep days back then. I tend to say that Iniesta was even the most influental one. They were unbeaten for nearly 60 games when Iniesta was on the field
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neimax View Post
    Absolutely not true, I think you haven‘t witnessed the Pep days back then. I tend to say that Iniesta was even the most influental one. They were unbeaten for nearly 60 games when Iniesta was on the field
    Being unbeaten with a particular player on the pitch says nothing (*ahem cough* André Gomes *AHEM cough cough*). PSV Eindhoven player Joshua Brenet (quite average) went unbeaten for 53 league games. Stats like this are a coincidence more than anything. Not to say Iniesta isn't a world class player but you get the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilberto View Post
    Being unbeaten with a particular player on the pitch says nothing (*ahem cough* André Gomes *AHEM cough cough*). PSV Eindhoven player Joshua Brenet (quite average) went unbeaten for 53 league games. Stats like this are a coincidence more than anything. Not to say Iniesta isn't a world class player but you get the point.
    Come on it‘s not only about the streak I mentioned, but it‘s absolute nonsense to say that Iniesta wasn‘t one of the three most infuential players in the team. Busi, Xavi and Messi are all amazing, but this team wouldn‘t habe had that success without Iniesta, he was the player that took the team to another level, so don‘t come up with such nonsense. This group of players where all very Important (also Puyol, Piqué, Alves, Valdes....) but to say Iniesta wasn‘t among the most important is simply brainless nonsense 😄
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    It isn't nonsense when he is compared to Messi, Xavi and Busi. Iniesta is a world class player, a true great, but both Xavi and Messi are a level above him, those 2 are for me the 2 best players i have watched, the 2 greatest of all times. Iniesta is in the class of Busi, but still far away from the other 2 geniuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neimax View Post
    Come on it‘s not only about the streak I mentioned, but it‘s absolute nonsense to say that Iniesta wasn‘t one of the three most infuential players in the team. Busi, Xavi and Messi are all amazing, but this team wouldn‘t habe had that success without Iniesta, he was the player that took the team to another level, so don‘t come up with such nonsense. This group of players where all very Important (also Puyol, Piqué, Alves, Valdes....) but to say Iniesta wasn‘t among the most important is simply brainless nonsense ��
    I think you're missing my point. All I'm saying is that coincidentally, it can happen that a not so good player randomly ends up on a large unbeaten run.

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    I love Iniesta, of course. And Pique, Puyol, and Alves all also important to a team that was about teamwork. But the three players I mentioned uniquely defined their positions on the field and made this tactical system possible.* There was/is no one else able to perform the roles they defined. You take any of them off the field, the system no longer existed- a variation, but nothing close. You could feel the rhythm go out of the game if they were out with injury or simply subbed off. Iniesta is also brilliant, and, combined with the others, devastatingly effective, but his position was not as crucial to be filled by him specifically.

    *Alves also fits this criterion of uniquely definitely his role, but also not as crucial as the other three to make the system function. My ranking of importance to the system:

    Xavi
    Messi
    Busquets
    Alves
    Iniesta
    Valdes
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    There is no way Xavi was more important than Messi.

    Xavi was phenomenal but Pep has been fairly close to replicating his system at both Bayern and City but what he has never got close to is someone doing what Messi did.

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    Yup, Messi is the most important followed by Xavi and Busi for me.

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    Argue in the other thread that Pep did not coach well at Bayern against Real, Barca and Atletico in the CL semis.
    Argue in this thread that Pep has replicated Barca 08-12 at Bayern and City.

    Is that what people here call "pulling a JamDav"?

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    Messi was/is the most important to winning, but not to the system. The most important part of the system is to always have numerical superiority, 3v2. Xavi was essentially 2 players in 1 because of his constant running/positioning. He was simultaneously front/back and left/right. Without him, the system breaks down. Not to mention his other aspects of controlling the game.

    Would the team score/win more with Messi on/Xavi off than Xavi on/Messi off? Yes, Messi is far more decisive to the bottom line. But Xavi was the most important to the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ursegor View Post
    Argue in the other thread that Pep did not coach well at Bayern against Real, Barca and Atletico in the CL semis.
    Argue in this thread that Pep has replicated Barca 08-12 at Bayern and City.

    Is that what people here call "pulling a JamDav"?
    Aye regular phrase that....

    Never claimed Pep replicated Barca 08-12 quite clearly said has never managed to replicate Messi.

    Try harder if going to attempt to act smug.

    In many aspects in terms of dominating the ball in midfield he has got fairly close to what Barca did.
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