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    La Masia in a state of ruin

    Apparently the academy is in a disastrous state right now according to Spanish journalists.

    ✅ None of the coaches hired know the 'Barca DNA'
    ✅ A lot of the players are loanees and reserves
    ✅ Players rooms have been turned into offices
    ✅ The gym the players used has been removed

    An academy that once produced Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Busquets, and Valdes is now struggling badly... 😥

    https://www.facebook.com/338233632988842/posts/3535067256638781/?sfnsn=mo

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    This probably refers to the excellent investigative article by Xavi Torres.

    https://www.ara.cat/es/deportes/Masi...258774320.html

    Too long to translate. An English version should emerge eventually.

    The content of that excellent article is not exactly "breaking news" as many of us could see such a sad state coming with this current useless board having been in power for almost 10 years and dinosaurs and nobodies like Segura having this much power but it is nevertheless a very sad and worrisome read.
    Bartomeu Dimissió!

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    This is what happens when the club management decide to ditch the Barca values and look for big names instead of developing those in house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuleInAsia View Post
    This is what happens when the club management decide to ditch the Barca values and look for big names instead of developing those in house.
    Or, La Masia values are a myth.

    It was "easy" to follow that path when we were blessed with the lucky generation.

    Since Cruijff in early 90, La Masia was meh until Xavi, Iniesta, Busi.

    Does that mean that we haven't followed our ideas pre Xavi-Iniesta and today?
    Or there is nothing to follow if you aren't lucky with gems from a youth academy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Or, La Masia values are a myth.

    It was "easy" to follow that path when we were blessed with the lucky generation.

    Since Cruijff in early 90, La Masia was meh until Xavi, Iniesta, Busi.

    Does that mean that we haven't followed our ideas pre Xavi-Iniesta and today?
    Or there is nothing to follow if you aren't lucky with gems from a youth academy?
    Some of the discovered facts in the article are that La Masia doesn't even meet nutrition-standards when it comes to the food to our young players

    You are right that Xavi, Iniesta, Busi won't come at the same time again, but I don't think many expect that. We need 1 sub-player from La Masia every year + 1 starter every 3 years to be happy, and that is not unreasonable. Facts are that Bartomeu only uses La Masia as a brand, but don't invest. We should invest some of the mad money spend on transfers on our youth academy. Things like that matter in the long run, also for the brand (it matters for our club in 50 years - are we a top-club, then?).

    Imagine after Neymar, if we said "we are going to use it all on La Masia". It would be amazing brand/hype/goodwill from all sides + great negotiation as well, because we could then only look for replacements we could afford anyway. That 222M€ could make us seriously compete with Manchester City for the best youth academy in the world, once again. It is a question of priorities and values, and our current "business"-model isn't even successful despite record income from sponsors etc.

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    It is true many people started watching Barca with Pep and take that as a norm. First, it wasn't even super generation it was generationS, this happens every centruy at best. Also, we are top club, we fight for all titles every year, there are clubs who are seling clubs and of course they will put their hot prospects in the team to sell them.
    I'm pretty sure if Barca politics would be home grown players but title challenge every 5 years or so fans would be angry.
    For example Puig, Alena, Ruiz, Wague (ok he was bought later) would probably play in selling teams and had a bigger chance of becoming good players.

    But, having said all that when we buy players like Prince, Murilo even Paulinho and so on...it really doesn't make any sense or something is very wrong with La Masia. Like BarcaBarca said, at least sub players should come from La Masia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Or, La Masia values are a myth.

    It was "easy" to follow that path when we were blessed with the lucky generation.

    Since Cruijff in early 90, La Masia was meh until Xavi, Iniesta, Busi.

    Does that mean that we haven't followed our ideas pre Xavi-Iniesta and today?
    Or there is nothing to follow if you aren't lucky with gems from a youth academy?
    Don't expect La Masia to be producing quality players all the time. But this is about proper food being given to the youngsters and it states that it starts from the moment they shifted venues , they've outsourced food.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BarçaBarça View Post
    You are right that Xavi, Iniesta, Busi won't come at the same time again, but I don't think many expect that. We need 1 sub-player from La Masia every year + 1 starter every 3 years to be happy, and that is not unreasonable.
    Regarding La Masia, when you remove emotions, you guys have to ask yourself some questions:
    1. Do you think that La Masia is more magical than youth academies from other clubs and that we are able to create more world class players than other big teams.

    If the answer is No, then fine.
    If the answer is Yes: then even if La Masia has special regimes and tactics, don't you think that Real, Bayern, Juve, Man Utd, Man City, Psg would be able to copy us over years?
    Some coaches would leave a club and reveal our secrets.
    Players and assistants also.

    Now, is there a big club like Bayern, City or Psg who is able to produce as much talents as people are expecting from La Masia?
    No.

    Now, the question is again: if Real, Bayern or any other club can't create talents on yearly basis, why are you expecting that from La Masia.

    And, I know why.
    You guys will reply: we had the greatest success when we played with La Masia guys.
    Ok, but that was a crazy lucky once in a century generation.
    That generation is not a rule.
    And it isn't a proof of our ideals.
    That is just a lucky generation.

    It is easy to say: we are not like Real.
    We rely on La Masia.
    It is easy to do so when you have a golden generation.
    Try to rely on La Masia when your best players are Munir and Samper.

    Look at Ajax.
    They have a similar academy like Barca.
    They had Davids, Seedorf, Kluivert, De Boers in 90s.
    The best generation ever.
    And then 23 years of mysery.

    Now they have a few young gems again.
    So, were their coaches idiots in the last 25 years, or their academy was just dry?

    Also, is their golden generation from 90s, a norm or once in a century thing?

    Well, the same applies for La Masia.
    Maybe Sandro, Munir, Samper, Alena is a normal state and average level of quality what we should expect?
    And not new Xavis...
    Last edited by BBZ8800; 15th July 2019 at 11:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    1. Do you think that La Masia is more magical than youth academies from other clubs and that we are able to create more world class players than other big teams.

    If the answer is No, then fine.
    If the answer is Yes: then even if La Masia has special regimes and tactics, don't you think that Real, Bayern, Juve, Man Utd, Man City, Psg would be able to copy us over years?
    Yes, and Manchester City are well underway to copy it good and well. It is not as simple as "Magic or not". It is investments in facilities/coaches (the best full time coaches in the world down to U12, for example) and prioritizing the best youth players. The goal is not a starting 11 of La Masia, the goal is La Liga-level players should come from our own backyard.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Now, the question is again: if Real, Bayern or any other club can't create talents on yearly basis, why are you expecting that from La Masia.
    Most know that we can't expect Iniesta, Xavi, Busi in the same team again. But we can remake our brand as a talent-producers by investing and increasing talent-scouts, so we can find the next gems early and include them in La Masia. If we invest and stand out, then we have a unique brand that makes young players want to play for us rather than City, PSG og Madrid. But it takes heavy investments and prioritizing.

    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    It is easy to say: we are not like Real.
    We rely on La Masia.
    It is easy to do so when you have a golden generation.
    Try to rely on La Masia when your best players are Munir and Samper.

    Maybe Sandro, Munir, Samper, Alena is a normal state and average level of quality what we should expect?
    And not new Xavis...
    Yes, and I'm not for playing bad talents like Munir when they already have flopped for us. But you have to think longterm, not only next 5 years.

    For example when Pep returns to coach B-team and youth for us, we will have an incredible pull for young players all around the world. That could make the difference in signing each generations best youngsters, if we invest in the right setup.

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    Maybe it is very hard now the level in Europe has gone up to produce talent for the first team. I do 3 or 4 players should be possible to come from La Masia. If Pique, Leo, Busi etc. retire, we will see if we will play with 11 bought players yes or no.