Josep Maria Bartomeu

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Yannik said:
You claim that as they are professionals they should know how to not fuel a Madrid based media outlet. But honestly: Who cares? They will shit on you anyway. And their readers will eat it regardless. Just a drop in the ocean. It's fucking laughable if your board bows to that shit.

As it is with Grau's comments. The guy basically appealed for rationality. He said that Barca has a certain revenue generated by sponsorship deals aswell as certain costs for player wages and the possibilities for a salary rise lies somewhere inbetween that. But Barca apparently doesn't accept rationality when it comes to Messi. They are rather urging to go batshit crazy over this. Users on this forum, aswell as Barcafans in general constantly complain about circus management. But as soon as Messi is involved there are no boundaries whatsoever and every rationale is thrown out of the window even by the fans. Yes, he's arguably one of or maybe even the greatest there has been. But your club is also one of the biggest there is. Act accordingly ffs.

Barca is the only club in the world where an individual has actually managed to be bigger than the club, a condition enabled by your pittyful submissiveness and something that should never ever happen. The guy could demand the signing of Mariah Carey and John Cena as CBs and they would do it. Even Real Madrid has still some power left over their star. It's ashaming that plain normal comments are considered controversial because they fear the relentless wrath of a 5'5" guy employed by them. One guy appealed for reason, the other praised his teammates. Neither of them went public with his mum's phonenumber, but it's bad enough that they even dared to remotely broach a touchy subject.
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That's a lot of bs, Yannick. You don't dismiss your best player during contracts negotiations. No club does that.

And who cares? The club have to care. And they do. So much that when controversy ensued in 2015, Barto had to call early elections. Madrid's press will always stirr shit, but that doesn't make it ok for directive members to help them do it. And this is how it's always been with Barça. Probably something very different from what you're used to, and you clearly don't understand how it works.

It's not only when Messi is involved either. Back when tito was alive, he said Barça wasn't a social club, when questioned about players like jds and fontas not playing. There was controversy all the same. If this was with Iniesta, instead of Messi, it'd also be the same.
 
Yannik

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FlaFCB said:
That's a lot of bs, Yannick. You don't dismiss your best player during contracts negotiations. No club does that.

And who cares? The club have to care. And they do. So much that when controversy ensued in 2015, Barto had to call early elections. Madrid's press will always stirr shit, but that doesn't make it ok for directive members to help them do it. And this is how it's always been with Barça. Probably something very different from what you're used to, and you clearly don't understand how it works.

It's not only when Messi is involved either. Back when tito was alive, he said Barça wasn't a social club, when questioned about players like jds and fontas not playing. There was controversy all the same. If this was with Iniesta, instead of Messi, it'd also be the same.
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Noone dismissed anyone. See, maybe that's part of the problem. Whenever something isn't completely speaking for Messi, it must be against him.

Agreeing contract extension only due to reasonable terms → Dismissing contract extensions
Saying teammates have helped Messi → Implying Messi isn't any good if it wasn't for teammates.

The question wether they have "helped" Marca & co. to stirr shit isn't even an issue because they clearly haven't. The only controversy going on is that they deliberately take harmless quotes out of context, use one-line clickbaits as headlines and will even make up shit if there's none. And you know why they do that? Because it works, as Barcas reaction to it approves. Noone reasonable would have taken the quote by Pere Gratacos as a Messi criticism, until Barca went out to kick that guys ass from the directorium because they apparently agree with Madrid papers. Instead of standing as a solid unity, they rather fight little wars inside their own headquarters. I'm sure while Gratacos got demoted, some journalist received a hefty payrise and family vacation on the maledivians. Good job.

Everyone with half a brain sees through Marcas ways of putting quotes into false contexts to make papers, but Barca seriously worries so much that the dumbest of the absolute dumbest might buy into it, that they even become part of the whole circus. You guys are so far away from proper management, it's hard to put this in words.
 
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Yannik said:
Noone dismissed anyone. See, maybe that's part of the problem. Whenever something isn't completely speaking for Messi, it must be against him.

Agreeing contract extension only due to reasonable terms → Dismissing contract extensions
Saying teammates have helped Messi → Implying Messi isn't any good if it wasn't for teammates.

The question wether they have "helped" Marca & co. to stirr shit isn't even an issue because they clearly haven't. The only controversy going on is that they deliberately take harmless quotes out of context, use one-line clickbaits as headlines and will even make up shit if there's none. And you know why they do that? Because it works, as Barcas reaction to it approves. Noone reasonable would have taken the quote by Pere Gratacos as a Messi criticism, until Barca went out to kick that guys ass from the directorium because they apparently agree with Madrid papers. Instead of standing as a solid unity, they rather fight little wars inside their own headquarters. I'm sure while Gratacos got demoted, some journalist received a hefty payrise and family vacation on the maledivians. Good job.

Everyone with half a brain sees through Marcas ways of putting quotes into false contexts to make papers, but Barca seriously worries so much that the dumbest of the absolute dumbest might buy into it, that they even become part of the whole circus. You guys are so far away from proper management, it's hard to put this in words.
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From Germany it might seem like this. In Spain is different. It's not only Marca either. It's much bigger than that. So yes, it's something else Barça have to deal with, and it's been always like this. This isn't new or caused by Messi, it's been like this forever. It's still the echoes from Franco time. It's a lot of smearing campaigns. Can't afford your own members contributing to it.

Messi and cr taxes cases should maybe make it easier to understand. Messi is being prosecuted for the evasion of 4m. cr evaded 150m, and it's being swept under the carpet. I read he was even joking about it with the press during the fifa awards ceremony.
 
Yannik

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FlaFCB said:
From Germany it might seem like this. In Spain is different. It's not only Marca either. It's much bigger than that. So yes, it's something else Barça have to deal with, and it's been always like this. This isn't new or caused by Messi, it's been like this forever. It's still the echoes from Franco time. It's a lot of smearing campaigns. Can't afford your own members contributing to it.

Messi and cr taxes cases should maybe make it easier to understand. Messi is being prosecuted for the evasion of 4m. cr evaded 150m, and it's being swept under the carpet. I read he was even joking about it with the press during the fifa awards ceremony.
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So lets assume all that would be the case. In what way are Barca dealing with it? By demoting their staff? He says something completely harmless and that's what should count. Sure, maybe in his wildest dreams he might have imagined that some guy took his quote, tore it out of context, translated it into aramaic, emailed it to turkey, have a shepherd print it out, lay it on the ground, have 21.000 anatolian goats walk over it, scan it back into a computer, sent it back, translate it into spanish again and publish it by Marca with an entirely different meaning now. That's not a proper reason for termination, since he himself intended no harm to anyone. If there's anything bad about that (there isn't), then that was accidental phrasing, whatsoever. Talk to the guy, let him apologize to whoever the fuck felt offended, let him bring a cake into the locker room to the team or whatever. Not more.
You might view barca as the victim of the medial witchhunt. Maybe that's true, but they are not doing themselves any favour and their way of dealing with it is piss poor, in all respect.
 
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Yannik said:
So lets assume all that would be the case. In what way are Barca dealing with it? By demoting their staff? He says something completely harmless and that's what should count. Sure, maybe in his wildest dreams he might have imagined that some guy took his quote, tore it out of context, translated it into aramaic, emailed it to turkey, have a shepherd print it out, lay it on the ground, have 21.000 anatolian goats walk over it, scan it back into a computer, sent it back, translate it into spanish again and publish it by Marca with an entirely different meaning. That's not a proper reason for termination.
You might view barca as the victim of the medial witchhunt. Maybe that's true, but they are not doing themselves any favour and their way of dealing with it is piss poor, in all respect.
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I've said many times its the club's fault. But the problem is saying these stuff to begin with. They have to learn not to do it, to not give extra ammunition to the press. Two inflammatory comments in less than one week. It doesn't matter if you think they're not in your opinion, in spain and catalunya they are. If those 2 executives had said nothing, none of this would had happen. It's simple.

It has happened too many times, so yes, the executives should expect to have their words scrutinized, twisted or whatever. They need to know how to deal with that. You can't expect that the media will change. And the guy wasn't terminated, but demoted.
 
DonAK

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His mentor :rosell: is under federal investigation in the United States for money laundering.

Let's hope Bartomeu doesn't order the club to put up a message in support for that slimy snake too.
 
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After so much shit about Messi's renewal, telling Pique to shut up, it's Neymar's turn. Jordi mestre saying he is to blame for being fouled so much, that he provokes defenders. Giving a go ahead to any players looking to injure ours with this. This board :lol:
 
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FlaFCB said:
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After so much shit about Messi's renewal, telling Pique to shut up, it's Neymar's turn. Jordi mestre saying he is to blame for being fouled so much, that he provokes defenders. Giving a go ahead to any players looking to injure ours with this. This board :lol:
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Backtracking on his statement. Said he wanted to say Neymar gets fouled to much when "facing defenders, not provoking" :rolleyes:
 
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Backtracking on his statement. Said he wanted to say Neymar gets fouled to much when "facing defenders, not provoking" :rolleyes:
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I agree that Neymar often "provokes" fouls with hogging the ball for too long or with unnecessary dribbling but Barca officials have no business shitting on our players publicly.

How stupid are these guys?
 
Neymessi

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Well since lucho publically said it was neymar's fault back when that scene hapenned against bilbao long time ago, this is nothing much.
 
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3 players injured, not even a foul called in none of those. And our coward of a president says what? Nothing. He stays silent.
 
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