Miralem Pjanic
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JamDav1982
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Depends what you mean by ball retention... Arthur takes multiple touches and makes simple pass to slow game down and not get anywhere most of the time. Pjanic moves it much quicker and is more positive with it and has better range of passing.
Birdy
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Maintaining possession of the ball when under pressure.
Pjanic sees to have more vision in regards to the final pass, i can agree with that.
But there is always a flip side to that: the off the ball movement that front players make in order to create the conditions for that kind of pass.
Until recently almost none was making that kind of move.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Arthurs limitation are why he doesnt pass it forward more. Same for Barca, Brazil and Juve now.
About the only thing Arthur was class at was escaping when pressed and that flattered to deceive a lot when first arrived but even then he rarely used it as any great advantage.
There were comparisons to Xavi early doors but Xavi would evade press and use it to his advantage to hit the opposing team where it hurt as out of position. Would actively look to do it whereas Arthur just reacts to the press, does well to get away then doesnt have the vision or range to make teams pay the way Xavi would and passes it simple.
The off the ball movement of front players doesnt help but Arthur is clearly limited and looks same for Barca, Brazil and now Juve.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Pjanic should be starter for as long as his connection with Messi is there.
There is no one else in midfield now or in past few years that moves the ball that quickly forward when it is on and then Messi/Pedri play off one another in the tighter spaces.
Will be hairy defensively when teams break but there is a bit more pace back there with Aruajo and would imagine v better teams FDJ would sit more than did v Vallodolid.
What is the alternative playing more runners? Sitting back again like did v Juve in first half hour or Bayern the whole game? The defence is not good enough for that and Barca dont have pace to break from playing like that.
Against PSG would prefer...play the best footballers, high line and press. Will be open game and leaving exposed to Neymar and Mbappe but got to be done.
There is no one else in midfield now or in past few years that moves the ball that quickly forward when it is on and then Messi/Pedri play off one another in the tighter spaces.
Will be hairy defensively when teams break but there is a bit more pace back there with Aruajo and would imagine v better teams FDJ would sit more than did v Vallodolid.
What is the alternative playing more runners? Sitting back again like did v Juve in first half hour or Bayern the whole game? The defence is not good enough for that and Barca dont have pace to break from playing like that.
Against PSG would prefer...play the best footballers, high line and press. Will be open game and leaving exposed to Neymar and Mbappe but got to be done.
Messigician
Senior Member
Why are ppl simping for Pjanic when he did well vs bums?
Need I remind you his performance vs Juventus?
He isn't the solution just Busquets V2
Need I remind you his performance vs Juventus?
He isn't the solution just Busquets V2
JamDav1982
Senior Member
All it took was one game vs ValladolidIts already completely forgotten how soft he looked vs Valencia, where people literally ran through him. Not just past him ala Busquets.
I for one couldnt care less who starts between those two.
'All it takes is one game'.... then quote 4 mins v Valencia.
Nice.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Is that away to Juventus where he was one of best players on park?
Home game v Juve the Barca midfield controlled the game more or less after they moved away from that same 442 that failed against Bayern.
Yeah, not my brightest moment. Should have written how soft he generally looked.
Messigician
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Home game we were destroyed first half and Pjanic was horrible
JamDav1982
Senior Member
I agree Barca were awful in the first 30 odd mins when the tactics seemed to be more or less 442 and to sit deep and not dominate the ball.
Pointless playing the likes of Pjanic if want to try that.
Just about every Barca player was horrible in that first part of game.
Juventus away Pjanic dictated game and linked well with Messi.
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