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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan Laporta View Post
    Who else but Ivan "the rabbit" Rakitić?
    He's the goddamn Energizer bunny

    QUE D10S NOS PROTEJA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew M View Post
    There's just a brash, loudmouthed minority that dislike him
    Should have said some "Barca-supporters", i guess, sorry about that, perhaps most of you do rate him.

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    Covered the most distance in WC, people here call him turtle lmao

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemente View Post
    Covered the most distance in WC, people here call him turtle lmao
    The other Croatian Dcm-Cm, Brozovic covered 16 339 meters in semis, a new world record of World cups.
    Rakitic was the 2nd with around 14,5 kms covered.

    That other dude covers even more, but hats off to our Raki, of course.

    Btw, there was a video about Brozovic (the same could be said about Rakitic) on a Croatian Tv yesterday.
    Coaches explained how these players are "defending" without macking tackles/interceptions.

    English midfielder No1 has the ball: Brozovic runs at him.
    An English player is forced to pass the ball back to a CB.
    English midfielder No2 gets the ball, Brozovic runs at him, an English player passes the ball back to a Cb.

    These type of actions won't results in stats like tackles and interceptions (for a Cm who defended), but these players are covering a lot of ground all the time and forcing the opponents to play long balls or some crazy actions.
    So, players are actually covering and doing a lot of dirty work, which isn't shown in any stats, except in a final result of your team, maybe in kms covered, and in general "feeling" that your team is well balanced and cohesive in midfield&defense.
    This is one thing that also needs to be taken into a consideration in a future Thiago vs Rakitic and similar debates regarding defending.
    ** I am not saying that Thiago isn't making those defensive covering-pressure runs though, but...
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    @BBZ

    How would you feel about Brozovic in Barca? He looks like a better version of Rabiot. Perhaps less technical with better shot? I think i also saw him play RM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    The other Croatian Dcm-Cm, Brozovic covered 16 339 meters in semis, a new world record of World cups.
    Rakitic was the 2nd with around 14,5 kms covered.

    That other dude covers even more, but hats off to our Raki, of course.

    Btw, there was a video about Brozovic (the same could be said about Rakitic) on a Croatian Tv yesterday.
    Coaches explained how these players are "defending" without macking tackles/interceptions.

    English midfielder No1 has the ball: Brozovic runs at him.
    An English player is forced to pass the ball back to a CB.
    English midfielder No2 gets the ball, Brozovic runs at him, an English player passes the ball back to a Cb.

    These type of actions won't results in stats like tackles and interceptions (for a Cm who defended), but these players are covering a lot of ground all the time and forcing the opponents to play long balls or some crazy actions.
    So, players are actually covering and doing a lot of dirty work, which isn't shown in any stats, except in a final result of your team, maybe in kms covered, and in general "feeling" that your team is well balanced and cohesive in midfield&defense.
    This is one thing that also needs to be taken into a consideration in a future Thiago vs Rakitic and similar debates regarding defending.
    ** I am not saying that Thiago isn't making those defensive covering-pressure runs though, but...
    I'm glad you pointed this out. You get a lot of folks on here who worship stats and don't trust their eye enough.

    A true scout will watch the games to come to conclusions not peruse data like a statistician.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten View Post
    Should have said some "Barca-supporters", i guess, sorry about that, perhaps most of you do rate him.
    I've always found him worth his place in the team. And many others do as well, but get shouted down as he doesn't have incredible technique and touch. He has other qualities, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judoman View Post
    @BBZ

    How would you feel about Brozovic in Barca? He looks like a better version of Rabiot. Perhaps less technical with better shot? I think i also saw him play RM?
    To be honest, I watched Rabiot way less.
    While I have watched Brozovic a lot of times.

    Brozovic is running and covering like crazy, but isn't too good in a build up (for top teams).
    So, Croatia sometimes have problems because: Brozovic is not THAT good in build up and Rakitic can have problems sometimes, as we know from Barca, and then it all comes down to Modric and passing the ball to flanks right away.

    So, for example, Barca with:
    Coutinho-Rakitic-Brozovic would be good in defense and we would be a tough team to break in defense.
    But, we would also struggle in attack and build up and we would probably play a lot of 1:1s like Croatia.

    So, we wouldn't lose, but we wouldn't win either...

    So, Brozovic plus Rakitic as 2 out 3 Cms for Barca, for the highest level is not good enough.

    On the other hand, if we would have 2 technical, light, isanely good creators, like Xavi/Iniesta/even Coutinho, then Brozovic could work as a Cdm, like RM's Casemiro.
    He wouldn't help too much in a build up, but he would close down every single attack in defense.
    He would play short-sideway passes in attack.
    In that type of a setup, let's say a team consisted of Cdm Brozovic-Cm Xavi-CM Iniesta, RB Alves would have been good enough.
    Brozovic wouldn't be as good as Busi, but he would offer way more running, covering, defending, recycling of possession and passing the ball straight to Xavi-Iniesta-Alves.

    So, you see, it all depends on circumstances and imo, we always need a mixture of runners/workhorses and technical guys (except during that short Pep's era where we survived with technical guys only).
    Even today, Thiago, whom I don't like too much, could work with one Casemiro/Edmilson as a Cdm behind him.
    Xavi-Thiago-Casemiro/Edmilson in enough of technique/vision/physique/defending/thugs in midfield.
    But Busi-Thiago-Coutinho, that is imo, an invitation for a horror show (with lazy in defending Messi and Dembele infront of them).

    About Rabiot, he could work in pair with mobile, light, technical players like Coutinho, Xavi, Iniesta.
    On the other hand, if we pair, Rakitic-Rabiot as Cms, that won't be good either.

    So, 3 workhorses=not good enough in creation.
    3 light players=not good enough in defending.
    Some combination like 2-1, 1-2 or 1-1-1 sounds like the best option for 2018, 2019 and similar.

    So, I am not 100% against Thiago, but it depends who are his partners in midfield.
    Also, about Rabiot, even though I like workhorses, I surely wouldn't want to see Rakitic-Rabiot-Gomes/Paulinho/enter a random similar player in the same time.
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    @Judoman

    Edit: After your post, I though a little about it and then wanted to say that Brozovic looks more like a fighter/runner/thug for Atletico Madrid than for Barca.

    And then I googled this, lol, of course:
    http://sempreinter.com/2018/07/04/at...i-replacement/

    Following Gabi’s transfer to Qatari side Al Sadd, Atletico Madrid are looking out for a replacement for their now former captain who made over 400 appearances for the club.
    According to a report Marca, Inter midfielder Marcelo Brozovic is among the names under consideration by Atleti bosses but the Spanish news outlet warn that Inter have absolutely zero intention of allowing the Croatian international to depart the club this summer following a complete upturn in form in the second half of last season.
    The 25-year-old still has three years left to run on his current contract with the Nerazzurri and has asserted himself as a key cog in manager Luciano Spalletti’s system as one of two midfielders in front of the defensive line in the 4-2-3-1 formation.
    Last season Brozovic made 33 appearances across all competitions in an Inter jersey, scoring on no less than four occasions and provided an assist for teammates nine times.
    So, that's a more accurate what type of a midfielder he is.
    A perfect choice for Atletico (and Italian teams).

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    Ivan Rakitic (FC Barcelona and Croatian NT): “Modric? I made jokes to him that he is more Culé than I am. All of us children have had their favorite teams and it's no secret that Modric loved Barcelona back in the days.”

    “After beating England in the semi-final I called my wife Raquel. I kept repeating it, over and over again: “Hey, we're in the World Cup final, Croatia is a finalist, I'm going to play against France on Sunday!””

    “Ronaldo to Juventus? The truth is that I congratulate Juventus for having shown impressive strength to sign Cristiano. Italian football will notice it positively.”

    “One of my daughters told me that we will win the World Cup.”

    “I lost 4 kilos during that game, I ran 14 kilometres.”

    “On the night before the semi-final I had a fever of 39 degrees. I thought I would not be able to play the game.”

    “We won against England because we were the better side.”

    “I also represent Barça, as Samuel Umtiti and Ousmane Dembélé do as well. It's important for the club. It's very nice that there are Barça players in a World Cup final.”

    “France deserve to be in the final, the play very good football. It will be a complicated final, it's going to be a historical game for us.”

    “Messi has always been giving me encouragement and I thank him very much.”

    “I said I found it to be strange that Iniesta didn't start against Russia. We were watching the game with the Croatia national team together and everyone asked me if he was injured. Nobody understood Hierro's decision.”

    “For me, Iniesta would always start. Iniesta and 10 more. It was so strange because he played excellent in his previous games.”

    “Compliments from Xavi? I'm proud of what he said about me. There are no words to describe him for what he represents in football as a player and as a person.”

    “If the players and Valverde choose me as one of the captains, that would be a great pride.”

    “Umtiti is amazing, his quality is extraordinary. I'm very happy everything is going well for him.”
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    He was as good as Modric, even better in moments of great pressure vs Denmark and Russia (you always put your best player mentally to take the last penalty). Proving this World Cup he is a very fine midfielder. It's just our management that's clueless.

    Let's just give the ball to Messi and he'll be striker, midfielder, playmaker, everything. All while running 7-8km. Yea, right...
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    It's been a journey for him and Modric . Both missing their pen's in 2008 Euro's and getting knocked out . 10 years later they are in world cup final .
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    I'd love to see another Raki masterclass on Sunday.


    I'd be more than happy to see Ousmane and Umtiti win it but I won't deny I'll be rooting for Croatia in the final. A nation of just 4 million people lifting the cup would be immense in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    @Judoman

    Edit: After your post, I though a little about it and then wanted to say that Brozovic looks more like a fighter/runner/thug for Atletico Madrid than for Barca.

    And then I googled this, lol, of course:
    Atletico already bought Rodri as Gabi's replacement. I think they are well covered in midfield with Koke, Saul, Rodri and Thomas but then again, we know Simeone loves workhorses so wouldn't suprise me if they are looking for another one.

    Question is, can they afford him? Brozo is important for Inter who has big plans this season and they won't sell for cheap. They've spent 90M on Lemar and Rodri and renewed contracts of Griezmann and some other players. According to rumours they are planning to also sign Sidibe, Gelson Martins and Kalinić so that's another 60-70M. They will get around 15M for Gameiro and Inter has apparently offered a 8M loan with obligatory 25M buy for Vrsaljko which AM are considering to accept (well, thinking about this if they want Brozo and Inter Vrsaljko they could maybe swap them but as said above I don't think Inter is prepared to sell). If that's true then they won't get much money from selling players this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morten View Post
    perhaps most of you do rate him.
    No, not on this forum. Him getting to the WC final is barely keeping the hate in check and its still leaking through. Just take a look at the comment history during a bad stretch to see this forum rating him.

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