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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Fixed.
    Without turtles Busi, Raki and Arthur.
    more like how we play with actual three workhorses in midfield, not with Raki who can't do that anymore.

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    Roberto is everything Rakitic pretends to be at this point. He's actually fast and has an even greater engine that him.

    Should get rid asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YodaMaster View Post
    But schoolboy Alena was there, why did it work ?
    How did the team manage to score 4 goals without Ivan 'Lampard' Rakitic ?
    Are we now going to analyze every action from a preseason match against a crappy Italian team where we scored first two goals from offsides and Napoli gave up after that?

    Midfield was kinda disconnected from the attack before 2 offside goals.

    Further, I would rather watch Frenkie pivot, Roberto (workhorse), Cam Alena than Busi-Frenkie-Arthur.

    Rob, Alena, Frenkie are faster than Busi and Arthur.
    Also, they both move vertically and horizontally.
    Busi moves only horizontally.
    Arthur moves only horizontally once when he gets into the opponent's half.
    Raki barely moves.

    So, why did midfield work?
    Well, these guys can press since they are fast and have legs.
    In build up, they move vertically and they are giving options to a pivot Frenkie to give them passes, just like his teammates from Ajax who move VERTICALLY a lot, offering Frenkie to play his smart through balls and the ball gets into the attacking third in a few seconds.

    You see, I had problems since people are calling for Frenkie-Arthur duo.
    If you want to read too much from this match, how a team was scoring more without Raki, then we can read too much and say that Frenkie and Arthur clicked horribly, they were occupying the same area, Arthur can't play as a Cm with Frenkie as a pivot because he doesn't move vertically and is afraid in the attacking third.
    Our beautiful free flowing and running midfield died once when Frenkie and Arthur were paired.

    You see, it works both ways.
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    no rakitic, yes party

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    I think people want to see Arthur because he looks more talented than Alena/Roberto/Rakitic. Simple as that. But we dont have an awful lot of data. And we can discuss at lengths, but its all just opinion. We will see how it turns out.

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    Careful here BBZ, it's not a good thing when you cherry pick bad things in a 4-0 win. Makes you look like you have an agenda...

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Careful here BBZ, it's not a good thing when you cherry pick bad things in a 4-0 win. Makes you look like you have an agenda...
    BBZ and agendas??? How dare you!

    But I also have an agenda... Wanna know how TALL BBZ is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by serghei View Post
    Careful here BBZ, it's not a good thing when you cherry pick bad things in a 4-0 win. Makes you look like you have an agenda...
    Because people are not honest here.

    So:
    1. we have seen that Frenkie-Roberto-Alena played better than any lineup in a preseason, fine
    2. but also, we have seen that Frenkie worked way better with Roberto and Alena than with Arthur. Yet, people don't want to hear that.

    I mean, 82 guys came to comment: no Raki=we played good.
    But again, how our fluidity died once when the most desired midfield pair: Frenkie-Arthur started to play=we don't want to hear that.
    Or, We will hear replies: it was their first match, give them time.
    But then, is it fair to reply equally: but then, why not give time to Raki-Frenkie pair, maybe they will also click better with more time?
    Then you will get a reply: no, Raki is shit, the end of story.

    So, Frenkie-Arthur should get more time.
    Frenkie-Raki shouldn't get more time.

    If you get me?

    Arthur already had problems with Busi and in the end of a season, rarely played with him.
    Because Arthur was occupying the same space and Busi often needed to tell him: move there, go away from me.
    Now you have Frenkie, who didn't play with Busi because they share the same position.

    And now, we had Frenkie flourished at a pivot with two guys who move a lot.
    And then, people have their own ideas in their heads how Arthur is an awesome allrounder, the next Xavi.
    Yet, a guy is the best when he plays a double pivot for Gremio and Brasil in 4231, rarely runs into an attack and rarely makes vertical runs. And does absolutely nothing in the attacking 3rd.

    People laughed at Raki because Frenkie was pissed with zero movement when he had the ball.
    Now, Arthur was doing EXACTLY the same as Raki, or even worse.
    Raki at least sometimes moves towards the attack, Arthur never does that.
    But people won't laugh at Arthur, right?
    Let's give him time, right?

    Again, people started to draw conclusions after a friendly, so why not?
    After this match it seems that Frenkie and Arthur can play only if Arthur is a pivot.
    And then, we will have a slow pivot who is meh in defending and bad against counters.
    And Frenkie won't play at his best position (pivot).

    If Frenkie is a pivot, Arthur is not moving enough (as a CM) and he will be as frustrating as Raki (for Frenkie).
    PLus he is moving too often into areas where Frenkie wants to run to.

    I mean, if you watched last season, it was clear that Arthur likes "calma, calma" slow down type of football, where the main thing is to slow down and keep possession no matter what.
    Yet, Frenkie likes a crazy fast football, full of counters, through balls, runs and risks.
    Not to mention that Frenkie and Arthur play on the same position.

    Yet, 90% of guys on forum decided that Frenkie-Arthur is our best duo.
    Well, if we have learned anything from tonight, it is that Frenkie will click better with faster guys, who move a lot in ALL 4 DIRECTIONS, unlike Busi, Raki, Arthur.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Are we now going to analyze every action from a preseason match against a crappy Italian team where we scored first two goals from offsides and Napoli gave up after that?

    Midfield was kinda disconnected from the attack before 2 offside goals.

    Further, I would rather watch Frenkie pivot, Roberto (workhorse), Cam Alena than Busi-Frenkie-Arthur.

    Rob, Alena, Frenkie are faster than Busi and Arthur.
    Also, they both move vertically and horizontally.
    Busi moves only horizontally.
    Arthur moves only horizontally once when he gets into the opponent's half.
    Raki barely moves.

    So, why did midfield work?
    Well, these guys can press since they are fast and have legs.
    In build up, they move vertically and they are giving options to a pivot Frenkie to give them passes, just like his teammates from Ajax who move VERTICALLY a lot, offering Frenkie to play his smart through balls and the ball gets into the attacking third in a few seconds.

    You see, I had problems since people are calling for Frenkie-Arthur duo.
    If you want to read too much from this match, how a team was scoring more without Raki, then we can read too much and say that Frenkie and Arthur clicked horribly, they were occupying the same area, Arthur can't play as a Cm with Frenkie as a pivot because he doesn't move vertically and is afraid in the attacking third.
    Our beautiful free flowing and running midfield died once when Frenkie and Arthur were paired.

    You see, it works both ways.
    Well, for starters, the team was trying to build real offensive rhythm in the first half and play effectively. And without Rakitic/Busquets stinking up the place, they did so amazingly.

    By the time Arthur and them subbed on they were already having their 2nd water break and the score was 4-0, no one really tried after that and the subs were just thrown on without instruction. You could see because FDJ/Arthur switched positions on a whim, and then when FDJ went to support Coutinho who just ditched the LW completely and started dribbling in circles in the midfield like a blind idiot while everyone sat around and watched him embarrass himself. That was a team switched off, not on.

    What's really funny is how you can stand year after year of visibly horrible midfield play from Raki-Busquets-Vidal or Iniesta-Raki-Busquets-Paulinho double pivot. Game after game for the entire seasons and on top of that, the 2 standout utterly embarrassing matches in Barcelona history against Roma and Liverpool. You have no qualms about insisting we use the same failed formulas which were proven to be way out of their depth.

    Yet 15 mins of Arthur and FDJ running the clock out in a friendly is enough for you to damn that pair and say it's somehow too dangerous/irresponsible to ever play them together. Hmm.
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    Maybe they won't click. I would like to see fdj, Arthur on the right and Alena on the left too. Time will tell.

    The problem is. Busi - Raki - FDJ is a high probability for Valverde. And it doesn't look promising to me.

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    The midfield doesn’t just need technique, it needs work rate and power. It’s not optional in modern football unless you have all time legends like Xavi and Iniesta.

    So Busquets and Rakitic can’t play if you’re serious about winning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Yet, 90% of guys on forum decided that Frenkie-Arthur is our best duo.
    Well, if we have learned anything from tonight, it is that Frenkie will click better with faster guys, who move a lot in ALL 4 DIRECTIONS, unlike Busi, Raki, Arthur.

    Frenkie and Arthur are the 2 best midfield talents in world football. Thats why people want to see them together. Really not that hard of a concept to grasp. The rest is specualtion, we will see how it turns out. Maybe they are shit together, but we cant tell now. Thats the point. I will adapt my opinion accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    Are we now going to analyze every action from a preseason match against a crappy Italian team where we scored first two goals from offsides and Napoli gave up after that?
    Were you not the one licking Ivan’s ass after he scored 2 goals in this current preseason ? Telling us stories about how he is the only offensively threatening midfielder Barca has ? And that despite the fact that dude scored 6 goals all comps for Barca in the last 2 years, which is 3 goals per year lol.

    Come on man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamzah View Post
    The midfield doesn’t just need technique, it needs work rate and power. It’s not optional in modern football unless you have all time legends like Xavi and Iniesta.

    So Busquets and Rakitic can’t play if you’re serious about winning.
    Weren't you stroking the workhorse Rakitic and how necessary he is for his workrate, strength etc. and that's what modern midfielders are about just few months ago? I swear I had some really long arguments with you about his uselessness until you back paddled after another humiliation at the hands of Liverpool? You change your tune faster than my 1 year old niece changes diapers.

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    Imagine Roberto being better than you in midfield. Dude is a walking disgrace.


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