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MessiCam

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They say Valverde has more faith in Gomes.

Napoli want him and he should go if the opportunity comes around again.

I have a weird feeling about all this... They want CB’s, box to box midfielders. Valverde is gonna turn Barça into Liverpool under Benitez.
 
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JamDav1982

Senior Member
I like Denis and think he can be a good squad player but if his place goes and likes of Alena or even Arnaiz comes into squad for second part of season it makes sense.

Hopefully could get a decent fee.
 

Joan

Well-known member
He's a bench player here. Doubt he'll start for Napoli either. Hope he impresses though before January, I like him very much.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Edu Polo wrote that MD article so there's probably truth to it.

Denis is such a huge unknown to me, he will have some games where he looks pretty good and some games he doesn't look great and not what we need. Given that his age has a lot to do with it but something doesn't feel right when it comes to Denis behind the scenes though.

There were strong rumors Gomes was going to be shipped out this summer and apparently failed to impress Valverde during training and was put off to the side like Arda earlier on this season and Denis having a better role. however as the season goes on Gomes became more prominent while Denis role started to evaporate.

This isn't the first time this has happened however it was like last season where Gomes was a prominent player while Denis was in and out and at some point Lucho lost some trust in him. makes me wonder is Denis not doing well in training?

I'm not buying that dumb theory we are doing this because of Mendes. Something obviously is happening behind the scenes that makes it look like Denis might not be good enough in training sessions the way Valverde would want and perhaps Gomes is doing what Valverde wants.
 

BBZ8800

Senior Member
Give him a run of 10-15 games in the Starting XI to see what he's made off. If he plays like shit ship him off, if not great, he can stay.

A random question: what if we lose a tonshit of points during that time, and get into a lose-lose situation:
1. we will lose our advantage in La liga
2. Denis will end as average squad player as always

So, we lost La liga and a player didn't turn into anything.

If that happen, guess what, fans like you will then have ideas: oh, now let's do the same with Samper, xx, yy, zz etc.

We can't have tests in every single season and lose titles after titles to get 1 decent after 5 years, and even then you'll ruin even that player with new tests in every single seasom.

This is why young players are getting 10-20 minutes, cup matches, preseason friendlies and similar.
I could understand a risk with playing Alena RIGHT NOW for 10-15 matches (even though, we are not in a desperate situation that there aren't any other options).
Alena has a high potential and he is showing a lot of leadership abilities in a lot of areas.
So, there are some pros for those who want throw him in a fire right now (I wouldn't though).
On the other hand, risking our whole season for testing a player of Denis's quality and potential is beyond crazy and totally suicidal.

A club and club's results and longterm future is always more important than any single player (even if his name is Messi).
Now, add Denis into the maths:
1. on one hand: a whole club and 20 player's, their effort, their attempt to win a title, their attempt to play all the time etc
2. a single player, Denis, who is among 3-4 least used players both under Lucho and Valverde

Hmm, no need to call Sherlock for the answer then.

Guys like him, 100s of players before him and 100s of similar players after him will be getting 10-20-45 minutes and copa matches here and there. Plus, a coach sees him everyday in training (never forget that part).
If he would have been such a gem on trainings (crazy skills, crazy vision, a gem of a player), someone (outside of fans on Barca's forum) would have already spotted it.

Edu Polo wrote that MD article so there's probably truth to it.

Denis is such a huge unknown to me, he will have some games where he looks pretty good and some games he doesn't look great and not what we need. Given that his age has a lot to do with it but something doesn't feel right when it comes to Denis behind the scenes though.

There were strong rumors Gomes was going to be shipped out this summer and apparently failed to impress Valverde during training and was put off to the side like Arda earlier on this season and Denis having a better role. however as the season goes on Gomes became more prominent while Denis role started to evaporate.

This isn't the first time this has happened however it was like last season where Gomes was a prominent player while Denis was in and out and at some point Lucho lost some trust in him. makes me wonder is Denis not doing well in training?

I'm not buying that dumb theory we are doing this because of Mendes. Something obviously is happening behind the scenes that makes it look like Denis might not be good enough in training sessions the way Valverde would want and perhaps Gomes is doing what Valverde wants.

I was writing about that.
I don't think that his problem is professionalism or a bad behavior.

On trainings, you can see player's skills way better than during 20 minutes where he touches the ball 3-4 times.
Valverde sees him every day in everything. First touch, passes, crosses, finishing, vision, 1 vs 1 attacking and defensive duels, his mental strength, bravery, movement.

Again, between crazy-conspiracy theories why a player is at the bottom of a pecking order under 2 coaches in a row, I will always pick an answer: coaches who see him every day for a few hours and who have seen 1000s of hours of Denis, Denis with the ball, Denis without the ball and Denis in all kind of onfield situations, probably just decided: meh, he has some skills, but overall just not up to Barca's standards.
 
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MessiCam

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The problem with your theory is that the very same article states both Messi and Suarez like playing with Denis and not Gomes. They actually support Denis and want to see him get minutes and are baffled why Gomes gets his spot. So where’s the disconnect? It would appear that it’s not training or play related... Further, Denis is always used when the team need goals.

Me thinks it’s because Denis is not up to snuff defensively, which again begs the question. Just where is Valverde leading this team?
 
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Xaviniesta

Senior Member
In an alternate universe: Denis gets loaned to Napoli and shines. Napoli win the Serie A and Sarri decides to go to Barca next season, bringing back Denis and signing Jorginho

Thiago also finally comes home :)
 

Joan

Well-known member
The question we shoud ask ourselves regarding this one is: who is a better bench player, Denis or Gomes?

Then it becomes clearer sicne Andre is as uselless as it gets.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
The question we shoud ask ourselves regarding this one is: who is a better bench player, Denis or Gomes?

Then it becomes clearer sicne Andre is as uselless as it gets.

To be fair to Gomes he has been better in the last few games he started than Denis was and I like Denis.

Dont think it is as simple as comparing the two anyway as both may not be at club next season and offers for each may be different.
 

Joan

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But still Denis managed to assist two times in the last 3 games and create that chance which Sukki bottled against Olympiacos.
What I wanna from a bench player is to be able to change the result, to impact the game and Denis if far superior to Gomes in that aspect.
What Im saying is that if I had to choose between Denis and Gomes, Id go with Suarez anytime.
 

Barcaman

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Staff member
Gomes showed nothing more than Denis. Denis can be frustrating when he loses possession but his capabilities exceed those of the Portuguese.
 

Nothanks

New member
In the end I want neither Gomes or Suarez..
if we get coutinho, iniesta is more bench role so he can take d.suarez's role and alena can sub rakitic, taking gomes' role
or sergi roberto can take over rakitic's spot with rakitic being gomes's bench role and alena playing as 5/6th with paulinho
 
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MessiCam

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But still Denis managed to assist two times in the last 3 games and create that chance which Sukki bottled against Olympiacos.
What I wanna from a bench player is to be able to change the result, to impact the game and Denis if far superior to Gomes in that aspect.
What Im saying is that if I had to choose between Denis and Gomes, Id go with Suarez anytime.
This. When Valverde wants or needs goals Denis, Deulofeu and Paulinho are his go to guys off the bench. It happened in the Sevilla game again but the second Paco scored Denis was sent back to the bench.

Valverde is too defensive and some of us could see it coming but we get shot down because the results are there. It’s mid-table team mentality and I don’t like it one bit. As horrible as this may sound it’s gotten to a point where, as far as I’m concerned, a few horrible losses are necessary so these tactics are tossed.

If 2 of your senior players in attack are confused by the coaches selections then something is amiss. I mean Denis has only had 1 average game, against Murcia, other than that he has made a decent contribution going forward, more so than anybody else except Messi on a per 90 basis.

That he is being thrown to the wolves at the expense of Gomes is ridiculous.
 

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