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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfe View Post
    Point here is - what is the actual problem with him going to Madrid? Who cares? Players don't, changes NOTHING regarding their goals at the World Cup. Only Federation does.

    Put yourself in Lopetegui's position. You've just signed on a 3-year contract with a national team, which can go south almost anytime depending on how you do at the tournament etc. Your last serious job offer in club football was Wolverhampton in 2016.
    Next thing you know is an offer of a job in one of the biggest clubs in the world is being put to you. You're offered the work with 6 players you've chosen for your national team, 2 of them spearheading it. You have a very short window to decide, because the club can't wait for a month until the tournament is over, especially with the Premiership transfer window shutting in August 9th, giving you 1 month to negotiate potential transfers. Once in a lifetime.

    What do you decide? Do you tell them to fuck off because it's not the time or the place and take the risk you'll probably never get the job again since they'll almost definitely hire someone else? Admirable choice.
    I understand Lopeteguis choice, it was Reals choice to put in a situation where he had to make a career-defining decision just before another career-defining month.

    Kudos to the national team if none of them thought it would be a little better for the team and their performances that the old rivalry between barca and real didn't go to the front-page of every paper world wide the week before they should work together for the nation. Some would look at their coachs decisions with a different perspective, but they are professionals, so maybe they could manage to brush it aside. I'm just sure that they would prefer not to be given another challenge - to put aside their coachs allegiances in club-football - as they have enough to think about already. I think most would prefer that the situation where their coach announced for one of biggest clubs in spain. It has provoked bad performances at world cups before that the coach was announced to big clubs afterwards, it is not that far out. That doesn't mean that it certainly or even plausible would do it in this case.

    All in all it is fair to blame RFEF for shooting themselves in the foot and defend Lopetegui's choice. But it is also fair to blame Real Madrid for their choices (especially if you are a national team fan).

    Quote Originally Posted by tacticvarium View Post
    What is Madridista doing here
    Making some fair points about the Lopetegui-saga from a Madrid-fans perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarçaBarça View Post
    All in all it is fair to blame RFEF for shooting themselves in the foot and defend Lopetegui's choice. But it is also fair to blame Real Madrid for their choices (especially if you are a national team fan).
    Ok. In which case, as a Spain fan, at the most what should matter to you is that he is leaving, which is a prerogative of any professional if they get another unique opportunity elsewhere. Sad, that's what you should feel at most. Not "betrayed". He is not leaving for a competitor.
    This guy did everything in his power to keep his decision from influencing the team's focus and he gave no toss as to what his employers think of it, especially since they sanctioned the 2M release clause themselves. All that mattered to him was his team and what they can give the fans together as a unit.

    What is ridiculous is that Spain fans think Madrid are being selfish and viewing their interests higher than Spain's.. How? Spain had the SAME exact shot whether they announced it or not assuming everyone remains professional. It is IN MADRID'S INTEREST that Spain do well if Lopetegui is your new coach. They would want him to be the World Cup winning manager.

    I challenge anyone here to tell me why it would matter for non-Madrid players that their coach will be leaving for Real Madrid if he guides them to the World Cup trophy, potentially not losing a single game under his guidance.
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    I don't see any fair points but a Madridista blindly defending his club.
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    He shouldn't have rejected the offer. Why would he do that?

    The only thing Lopetegui and Real Madrid should have done is informed them and all the players about the negotiations when it started, and coordinate when to announce it or go from there.

    Lopetegui and Real Madrid kept it a secret and had only told Ramos or the only the Real Madrid players when someone opened their mouth so it would get leaked, which forced them to officially announce it on a 5 minute notice to the RFEF who had no clue about it.

    Think about it. Did the press have any clue about it? NO. Even the press found it when Real Madrid announced it. Just a day before both AS and Marca were linking Vilas-Boas to the job.

    He probably shouldn't have been sacked, but Rubiales got elected to clear up the mess and corruption in the federation and now he had to make the decision about putting the federation and the National Team first or let Real Madrid get away with doing everything as if they owned Spanish Football.

    The only sad thing here is that if Lopetegui flops in Madrid he will have ruined his career. Flopped hard at Porto and turned them into a financial mess after he demanded some big money signings for them which were all really bad, flopped at Real Madrid and won't be allowed back in the Spanish NT setup I guess.
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    I mean Real Madrid and Lopetegui were only secretly signing agreements behind the curtain and keeping the Real Madrid players informed while the Federation and the rest of the Spanish nationals were completely left in the dark and assumed they would have Lopetegui representing the Country of Spain until 2022 after he just signed a new contract last month.

    Completely professional, respectful to all parties involved, promotes unity among players and displays clear transparency of communication in the Roja camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    He shouldn't have rejected the offer. Why would he do that?

    The only thing Lopetegui and Real Madrid should have done is informed them and all the players about the negotiations when it started, and coordinate when to announce it or go from there.

    Lopetegui and Real Madrid kept it a secret and had only told Ramos or the only the Real Madrid players when someone opened their mouth so it would get leaked, which forced them to officially announce it on a 5 minute notice to the RFEF who had no clue about it.

    Think about it. Did the press have any clue about it? NO. Even the press found it when Real Madrid announced it. Just a day before both AS and Marca were linking Vilas-Boas to the job.

    He probably shouldn't have been sacked, but Rubiales got elected to clear up the mess and corruption in the federation and now he had to make the decision about putting the federation and the National Team first or let Real Madrid get away with doing everything as if they owned Spanish Football.
    But I agree, he should have coordinated better. But like you say yourself, is sacking him supposed to be a solution? It's made it worse. Just air the dirty laundry after the fact.
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    Man, imagine if it would be Guardiola in Lopetegui's place but he'd sign a contract with us 2 days before the start of the WC. Would be a blown out civil war against Catalunya and FC Barcelona.

    Meanwhile, if Spain fails at the world cup they'll still blame Pique for being a distraction in the locker room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I'm reading that Lopetegui prefers technical players like Isco, Asensio, Thiago over CR7, Benzema, Bale and similar and that he will get rid of these guys.



    If true, this is gold.
    Real won't win another CL in the next 20 years then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sorin View Post
    Man, imagine if it would be Guardiola in Lopetegui's place but he'd sign a contract with us 2 days before the start of the WC. Would be a blown out civil war against Catalunya and FC Barcelona.

    Meanwhile, if Spain fails at the world cup they'll still blame Pique for being a distraction in the locker room.
    Agreed.

    Anything but a WC win they’ll complain now... both decisions coming out of Madrid.. let them fight amongst themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBZ8800 View Post
    I'm reading that Lopetegui prefers technical players like Isco, Asensio, Thiago over CR7, Benzema, Bale and similar and that he will get rid of these guys.



    If true, this is gold.
    Real won't win another CL in the next 20 years then.
    not so sure it is tbh. Ronaldo is aging and clearly declining, Benzema is trash and Bale 50/50. they would likely be on their way to leaving regardless who came in

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    Great news, I can't wait to see Spain getting demolished.

    Spain always finds ways to fuck itself over. Great country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonAK View Post
    He shouldn't have rejected the offer. Why would he do that?

    The only thing Lopetegui and Real Madrid should have done is informed them and all the players about the negotiations when it started, and coordinate when to announce it or go from there.
    DonAK, you seem informed. May I ask a question?

    What did Lopetegui really fear? Why did they come out? That someone from the squad would leak the info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilarrubi View Post
    Agreed.

    Anything but a WC win they’ll complain now... both decisions coming out of Madrid.. let them fight amongst themselves.
    Hopefully, the Spanish fans of other teams can now realize who are the ones messing up in that locker room over and over again. When Spain's golden generation of 2010-2012 was in danger of self destructing, it was because the Real players almost went to war with our players out of pure jealousy fueled by Perez and Mourinho's bush league hate.

    Spanish fans deserve whatever they'll get for misguided hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joan Laporta View Post
    What did Lopetegui really fear? Why did they come out? That someone from the squad would leak the info?
    I know it's not directed at me, but to anyone it'd be pretty clear it's a trust thing. Whether it's trusting the rookie RFEF president, or any of the non-Madrid players to react in a professional manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfe View Post
    I know it's not directed at me, but to anyone it'd be pretty clear it's a trust thing. Whether it's trusting the rookie RFEF president, or any of the non-Madrid players to react in a professional manner.
    I just feel it's the worst possible way to handle the situation. If he informed the RFEF and the squad in time, think this could've been avoided.

    Even more so if it's true he had the trust of the players. Would be for the best. Don't understand why they made it public?