Camp Nou

companyofcules said:

For me the bling is not very important, I want a roof and clean stands, good infrastructure.
I was very surprised by the terraces and that they refused to go with first hideous project, a copy of yhe Bayern egg shell.

So a huge thanks to the Japanese arhitects and probably the few good things of the Bartomeu era.
The colors, blings can change with time. The biggest flaw of Bernabeu is that Perez invested little in the structure and much more on the facade. You can't change that since is so expensive.
At Camp Nou you can literally envelope all in a glass dome, you can change the lamels, tarp, lighting. Bernabeu will always be a metal box if they don't spend another 2 billions. And now imagine you have structural problems, you need to work it out under that metal cover (support the cover while building a new stand). You want to expand, you need to dig in at best( trow away the toomb pitch) or to trow the expensive stainless.

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I think the biggest mistake was to not allow natural light in and instead turn the stadium into a bloody bidet, he has turned the stadium into a pussy washer

Xtroverto said:

I think the biggest mistake was to not allow natural light in and instead turn the stadium into a bloody bidet, he has turned the stadium into a pussy washer

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Sun is your friend 🌞

how to circumvent bidet look if you want giant screens up top and 99K+ seats + narrow top props up decibels

Curvy sides to make it look like waves woulda been dope but guess too expensive. Estadio de la Luz still best looker

DonAK said:

Added value is concerts in the summer, NFL games, rugby games, basically other events that will drive up income and make use of the stadium. You can use the video board for different things/various info when you hold such events even if you don't use it for our games.

It's not going to be just a football stadium for Barca in the future. They're going to use it to hold other type of events.

Don't need it to attract tourists considering the locals do a great job selling their tickets to tourists anyway for a half-assed atmosphere 50% of the time.

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Well at the concert most bands have their screens and light show so I doubt it, rugby is not for bling so I doubt it again, as for NFL, no thanks we are in Europe. Again, the only kind of usage is for a night club stadium. But I think the whole point is the huge space not the screen so they will come anyway.
Here SB has the advantage of retractable pitch and full cover who I already admitted we need but again I will not watch football played on a brown pitch for crackheads to have fun. If SB had a perfect green retractable pitch I would have been the first to want that.
The whole point of a stadium should be to watch football and CN has nothing inferior for that.

Would have liked Bernabeu's pitch thingy. Would have given us a lot of flexibility in hosting other gigs and sports.
But footballing-wise, we dont need that technology as our current pitch was already state of the art and much much better than Bernabeu's ever was. And should get even better.

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draconifire said:

Would have liked Bernabeu's pitch thingy. Would have given us a lot of flexibility in hosting other gigs and sports.
But footballing-wise, we dont need that technology as our current pitch was already state of the art and much much better than Bernabeu's ever was. And should get even better.

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Isn't the pitch situation bad with RM so far?
I read before there is a lot of struggle on it, and many opponents complained that it is one of the worst in CL.
They will most likely make it work eventually, but it isn't the example of the future yet

khaled_a_d said:

Isn't the pitch situation bad with RM so far?
I read before there is a lot of struggle on it, and many opponents complained that it is one of the worst in CL.
They will most likely make it work eventually, but it isn't the example of the future yet

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Maybe, I don't know about that. Haven't heard or read anything regarding it.
But if that's the case, then ya we shouldn't do it. Wait longer for the technology to mature and then implement it.

I find it hard to believe natural grass is better kept underground than over it. Camp Nou should use the size. It is going to be bigger venue than Bernabeu by a sizeable margin. We're talking something like over 30% bigger. Bigger audience means more money.

(Since there's a lot of Bernabeu discussion in this thread going on...)

Lol, it's always entertaining to see how different fanbases manipulate reality based on their biases and end up having completely different opinions and reach polar opposite conclusions on the same topic.

As a Madrid fan here are some things I can personally say about the Bernabeu:

1. Personally I generally like what they have done with the exterior, but it's not perfect and it will/can still be improved. Based on reports, there's going to be a ~15 million+ euro investment on interior and exterior lighting and on image projection technology to be used on the exterior. In a way it can be said that the Bernabeu's "image" or identity in the night has not been activated yet, hence why the club doesn't provide much exterior camera viewing angles during the night on match day transmissions and why there aren't much official images from the club of the stadium during the night yet. The strong, uncalibrated, industrial, and temporary interior lighting being used at the moment, coupled with the basically non existent exterior lighting, end up producing a bad, ugly image imo, but that is expected to change. As far as I'm concerned the exterior during the night can't be really judged yet.

Then, during the day, I generally like the gargantuan, modernist, minimalist, cold austerity of the new enveloping skin. It brings to mind ideas of forward thinking, avant-garde grandeur and the stainless steel brings to mind the European Cup, and impenetrability. From street level I think it looks great during the day and vaguely okay during the night (it's from farther distance and heights that it currently looks terrible in the night imo). The problem I have with it is that during the day, particularly on the western and southern facades, there's a certain transparency that can be seen from mid-long distance and at certain heights during selected times of day, which gives those facades in particular a certain industrial vibe that I find to be a mixed bag. That is also not a finished thing though as they are still painting and reconditioning the old exterior that's behind the new enveloping skin, they may still change some of the steel panels, and they still haven't put the name and crest on the western facade yet.

As to the comparisons of the exterior to tuna cans or toilet bowls that is to be expected from hate-fueled or otherwise "compromised" perspectives, and it even inherently comes with the territory of modernist architecture, you could say similar things about the Allianz Arena and I'm sure opposing fans of other German teams do say that (I find the Allianz Arena to be beautiful from the outside, but not emblematic in any way of Bayern Munich as a club) and people have been saying similar things about the avant-garde works of Frank Gehry or Zaha Hadid, for example, for decades.

My current rating on the exterior/expected final rating:

Day Street Level: 7.5/8.5
Day Helicopter Level: 7.0/8.0-8.5.

Night Street Level: 6.5/8.5
Night Helicopter Level: 3.0/8.5.

It's the transparency that adds a lot of variability to the aspect of it all and that personally makes it unlikely for me to give the finished overall facade higher than an 8.5 overall. The transparency is a result of the necessary distance between the steel panels, the distance and inclination is there to allow for better ventilation of the inside and so that the skin breathes a bit and doesn't just look like a heavy and impenetrable thing, and it is also a nice thematic touch for one to see an interplay between the old facade and the new one, and it does look nice during the day at street level. It's the mid to long distanced aerial views of the western and southern facades that "suffer" somewhat for my taste.

As for the interior....

I find it to be breathtaking, and for my liking I give it a 10/10 already, and there's still another LED screen ring expected to be added to the one that already exists (not to be confused with the 360 viewing screens.)

From an engineering and technology aspect, it is an avant-garde gesture to have a retractable roof, pitch, and the 360 screen board, and the sight the stadium produces from the interior, particularly during the day is astonishing, I think. Additionally, as is the case with the unfinished exterior, the retractable pitch system is still in its infancy and they are still calibrating things, the conditioning of the pitch system will undoubtedly keep improving as time goes on.

As time goes on, in the coming decades newer, bigger, more advanced stadiums will inevitably be built around the world and in Europe, and what's avant-garde at one point is logically always at risk of looking quaint as time goes on as people build on top of previous advancements, but what the Bernabeu has with its interior, I think, will remain both functional and timeless. And it's necessary considering how the club wants to use the stadium as a multipurpose 360 days a year complex.

I think the 360 board is great, especially considering the limitations that the remodeling project had to work with. Only the Sofi Stadium's do I currently find more "impressive".

I don't say this to remove impressiveness from what the new Camp Nou promises but I'm personally not one to place too much importance on a stadium being the "biggest" in the world or having 100k+ seating. If the renovated Bernabeu had that it wouldn't be one of the aspects that would personally most interest me, much less when at its 80k+ seating it's already one of the biggest big team stadiums in Europe.

See more explaining by madrid fans why the stadium is beautiful, if it was there wouldn't need to be Madrid fans all over the world explaining to us why it's "pretty".

It genuinely looks like a 22nd century toilet, just look at it.

While Barcelona's stadium has already won awards for its design and we don't need to tell the world why it's a good looking stadium,it just is.

Generic Barca fan #345123's schizo response to an innocuous opinion post by a Madrid fan:

WallBreaker said:

you could say similar things about the Allianz Arena

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Damn right we do,
That’s one of the reason we changed the initial design of the new camp nou looked too much the Allianz

jamrock said:

See more explaining by madrid fans why the stadium is beautiful, if it was there wouldn't need to be Madrid fans all over the world explaining to us why it's "pretty".

It genuinely looks like a 22nd century toilet, just look at it.

While Barcelona's stadium has already won awards for its design and we don't need to tell the world why it's a good looking stadium,it just is.

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Yes even Laporta had to praise Bartomeu for the stadium saying it’s one of the most amazing things he’s done as president

Messigician said:

Yes even Laporta had to praise Bartomeu for the stadium saying it’s one of the most amazing things he’s done as president

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He did a good job choosing this design, I won't lie.

He would have done a better job if he just went with the design that was already there and started building, would have saved us 100's of millions.

jamrock said:

He did a good job choosing this design, I won't lie.

He would have done a better job if he just went with the design that was already there and started building, would have saved us 100's of millions.

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They had other issues to work around

jamrock said:

He did a good job choosing this design, I won't lie.

He would have done a better job if he just went with the design that was already there and started building, would have saved us 100's of millions.

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Educate yourself on the topic why the works couldn't start earlier before writing such statements.