Champions League 23/24

Who will win CL this season?


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Horatio

You're welcome
Both lines man and ref made a mistake btw. Ref does not have to whistle when flag has been raised. Common sense would be to let it play for all right reasons. Was bayerns last attack likely. Only reason for ref to whistle there other than bribed would be if gets kick out of creating polemica.

We move.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
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So, when the managers you stan for don't win, you parade stats like xG to show why the result was 'unfair' to them and that they had outplayed their counterpart.

But when it's against your agenda, they become merely game summaries and stats.

How predictable.

But to humor you a little, just a couple of the basic tactics:

Look at how badly Kimmich got overrun by Vinicius just kicking the ball far out and making it a race/sprint. That was deliberate and Tuchel was either too clueless or too proud to fix it.

The midfield. Ancelotti's best teams are well known for crowding the midfield and using the midfield as a springboard. Tuchel went with 4 attackers and 2 midfielders (and 2 non-elite ones at that). And the wingers barely dropped in towards the middle.

Dude, you need some basic courses in Reading Comprehension 101
You have to learn how to read

1) I never said 'the results was unfair' Only the goal robbery was unfair
If you look at my first comment here after the game I said precisely that Bayern were bad tonight and Madrid better, it's one of the very few important CL qualification Madrid took while being better and not worse like last round or previous years

2) I asked you to explain how Ancelotti 'outplayed' Tuchel. That goes far beyond the mere general statement that Madrid were better.

3) Madrid have a much better squad than Bayern. This means that if they have similar level coaches Madrid always wins this. This means IN TURN that if Bayern were to win this Bayern's coach should certainly outplay somehow Madrid's coach and not the other way round

4) Ancelotti crowds the midfield with no plan whatsoever. There is some fuzzy vague thought behind it, but certainly not tactical instruction on the players in md what to do and how to execute a plan. If you watch the game again, and in fact game vs City, and CL Madrid games last season against City, Ancelotti's instruction on how to attack is fairly simplistic, and that was happening all the time yesterday: however has the ball tries to hit one towards the left for Vinicius and Rodrygo, with Belligham also going there, and HOPES that they will SOMEHOW combine on their INTUITIONS, if not Vinicius to do it all by himself
Sorry, that's not a tactical plan/

5) When Xavi doesn't have a plan how to break oppositions and instructs people to pass to Dembele so he can create on his own, we RIGHTFULLY criticize him. When Ancelotti does the same with Vinicius, you (all of Madrid stuns in here) praise him for some masterclass :lol:

6) Ancelotti himself said in the pre-match presser in Munich that he doesn't want to 'mess up' things with instructions, and he prefers the players to express themselves, something along these lines.
And you think he is top coach? :lol:

7) Again as I wrote in my post match comment, Tuchel lost the game, Ancelotti did not win it. He went for a cagey and passive plan that OBV didn't work out. This Madrid team is managed when pressed, not when sat back, we have seen it vs City all these years. The fact that Tuchel was close to qualification before Neuer's error does not mean he was right. The plan DID NOT work ,and the xG you cite is the proof for that

8) The point on Kimmich I agree with. I wrote it in my comment after the game. Tuchel in the 2nd half should have adjusted, his defence was leaking there. It is an instance of 7 above

ALL in ALL, then, no mate, Ancelotti did not do shit on Tuchel.
Tuchel outdid himself with a bad plan, and given that Madrid have 10 times better XI than Bayern's yesterday, it was really difficult for Madrid not to win
 

Morten

Senior Member
Feels contradictory, if RM has a better squad(and fewer injuries), then it would make sense for Bayern to go into the game with the plan Tuchel had, not try an open game against a better opponent away from home.
 

KingLeo10

Senior Member
ALL in ALL, then, no mate, Ancelotti did not do shit on Tuchel.
Tuchel outdid himself with a bad plan, and given that Madrid have 10 times better XI than Bayern's yesterday, it was really difficult for Madrid not to win

You should take a look around you for a sanity check and realize just how much copium this reads as :lol:

Madrid's XI is better but only by a little bit (it's not a 3 - 0.5 xG level gap). Tuchel outdoing himself is a hilarious way of framing that he played a bad game and got outmanuvered, from on field tactics, to substitutions, to long term management (Tuchel can't even rest his stars in a meaningless B.liga game. Weren't you seething about this when it came to Barca managers/players? Why not the same amount shown here :lol: )

And if the RM squad is so strong (10 x than Bayern's), man does Xavi's accomplishment of the league last season seem titanic doesn't it? :lol: Can't have it both ways.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
You should take a look around you for a sanity check and realize just how much copium this reads as :lol:

Madrid's XI is better but only by a little bit (it's not a 3 - 0.5 xG level gap). Tuchel outdoing himself is a hilarious way of framing that he played a bad game and got outmanuvered, from on field tactics, to substitutions, to long term management (Tuchel can't even rest his stars in a meaningless B.liga game. Weren't you seething about this when it came to Barca managers/players? Why not the same amount shown here :lol: )

And if the RM squad is so strong (10 x than Bayern's), man does Xavi's accomplishment of the league last season seem titanic doesn't it? :lol: Can't have it both ways.

Barca squad is 10 times better than Bayern's as is Madrid's.
Between Madrid and Barca, Madrid have the edge but marginally mainly because we have Lewa up front

Doubt it? Look at the fucking XI of Bayern yesterday, apart from the front 3:
Neuer- done,
Kimmich-bad at RB,
De Ligt Dier duo - decent but nothing more,
Mazrouai LB - lol,
Laimer-Pavolic central paring- seriously?

the only WC parts of Bayern are Kane and Sane-Musiala in that XI yesterday

On the contrary, in Madrid everyone is world class in the XI yesterday apart from: Lunin, Nacho, Carvahal (current version)

Bayern have 3 WC players, Madrid have only 3 non WC players.
And that's only the XI, let's not talk about the bench where Madrid can pull Camavinga, Brahim, Modric, Militao Alaba
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Not sure why Ancelotti is always put down to be some hype man/man management merchant when he's been a manager for 25+ years and won major trophies and competed at the highest level on almost every stop.

You don't get that far in your career if you're not extremely good tactically as well. Sure his tactics nowadays might not be as intricate as Pep's, but that's not always necessary either.
 

Messigician

Senior Member
Not sure why Ancelotti is always put down to be some hype man/man management merchant when he's been a manager for 25+ years and won major trophies and competed at the highest level on almost every stop.

You don't get that far in your career if you're not extremely good tactically as well. Sure his tactics nowadays might not be as intricate as Pep's, but that's not always necessary either.
Because of his awful league record before joining Real Madrid for the second stint

He was at Everton for a reason
 

Birdy

Senior Member
You should take a look around you for a sanity check and realize just how much copium this reads as :lol:

Madrid's XI is better but only by a little bit (it's not a 3 - 0.5 xG level gap). Tuchel outdoing himself is a hilarious way of framing that he played a bad game and got outmanuvered, from on field tactics, to substitutions, to long term management (Tuchel can't even rest his stars in a meaningless B.liga game. Weren't you seething about this when it came to Barca managers/players? Why not the same amount shown here :lol: )

And if the RM squad is so strong (10 x than Bayern's), man does Xavi's accomplishment of the league last season seem titanic doesn't it? :lol: Can't have it both ways.

Only correct thing you write is that Tuchel could have asserted his authority over Kane and rested him

Again, you have to prove that 'tuchel got outmanuvered in on field tactics' , which obviously you can't
I already analyzed Tuchel's tactical mistakes, Ancelotti did nothing other than he usually does: which is do nothing and let the players 'express' themselves
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Because of his awful league record before joining Real Madrid for the second stint

He was at Everton for a reason

League record is bad, but he's also often faced tough competition like Juve with Nedved, Del Piero, prime Buffon, a top Inter squad at Milan and obviously a Messi-led Barca with Real Madrid.

Was at Everton for a quick buck and probably because he was bored.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Not sure why Ancelotti is always put down to be some hype man/man management merchant when he's been a manager for 25+ years and won major trophies and competed at the highest level on almost every stop.

You don't get that far in your career if you're not extremely good tactically as well. Sure his tactics nowadays might not be as intricate as Pep's, but that's not always necessary either.

That's an unproven proverb/motto.

Ancelotti for me is two people: ancelotti of Milan and up to around his Chelsea appointment, and Ancelotti afterwards

The former had some tactical ideas, which FOR THAT TIME and ERA, were important
The latter was someone who decided to abstain from tactics, and do only man-management and player encouragement

Besides, you can see a good tactician in all the club he coaches, bigger or smaller. Ancelotti was woeful at Everton and Napoli for a reason: he is not anymore a tactician
 

Messigician

Senior Member
League record is bad, but he's also often faced tough competition like Juve with Nedved, Del Piero, prime Buffon, a top Inter squad at Milan and obviously a Messi-led Barca with Real Madrid.

Was at Everton for a quick buck and probably because he was bored.
Ok ane he failed at Bayern, Napoli and Everton

The question marks concerning his career were well deserved considering the squads he had at his disposal

All time Goat time cannot blow a 3 goal lead to Liverpool
 

Morten

Senior Member
The fact that we are talking about what Ancelotti did over 20 years ago, says a lot about him though, he has longevity few can match.
 

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