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vuji_31

vuji_31

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I think they need to ask themselves what are odds that we win league against Vini, Bellingham, Rodrygo, Mbappe, Diaz and Endrick while we have 37 years old Lewa with 16 years old kid.

All of their players would be our starters.

We will not win league. With luck we have more chance for coming to CL final then winining league.

Thinng is we can sell Araujo and De Jong, and still have same uncessefull season as this.

We will pass the gruop in CL and be second in La Liga.

We can generate cash and get rid off big salery.

We can get Cancelo for cheap, and play him and Araujo from Las Palmas or Fort as RB.
Kounde, Christensen, Cubarsi, Faye, E.Garcia and Inigo M. as CB are enough for flop season.

We can generate 150mil through De Jong and Araujo and get great CDM and LW.

Nico 50mill plus Onana lets say should be around 110mil. We still have leverage.

We see Madrid playing Rudiger and Nacho as CB's and passing City.

I would rather have great CDM and LW then great CB.
 
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Porque

Senior Member
jamrock said:
In other transfers news, seems we have passed on messinho

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El Barça pasa del fichaje de Messinho

El club blaugrana no entra en la puja y el Chelsea comienza a negociar
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Not fussed, that Argentine kid who signed for city,was the real price.
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Makes sense. There is no money for projects anymore, and certainly not on the same side as Lamine.

Madrid will be getting the River lad ahead of us too. He looks interesting.

Obviously it is never a guarantee that young players will succeed. But both Messinho and Mastejehhshsno look like they have games that fit Barcelona way more than Vitor Roque. Who will come good in Europe, but maybe not for us.

I like him but I question that we place passing and technique as the key attribute above all, then sign Kounde, Raphinha and Vitor Roque. While Deco fancies Onana and DMC and giving these pieces to Charvy.
 
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Porque

Senior Member
We could play this game all day. The point I'm making is cutting salary cap and signing players for less than we sell.

So for example
1. Araujo -> 80m
No signing <- No signing (Kounde/Faye. While signing a project like the Gent lad)

2. Frenkie -> 70m
Aleix Garcia <- 28m (BO)

3. Raphinha -> 60m
Nico <- 50m (BO)

DMC -> Ndidi or Guido Free transfer.

In: 210m (excl wages)
Out: 78m (exl wages)
Total = +132m (exl wages)

Are we really losing that much quality in the 11 while selling 3 starting 11 players?

We talk about the difference in Madrid squad quality, but ignore they routinely sell first 11 players to reinvest. We never do, and talk about it is a step back for us.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
Porque said:
Makes sense. There is no money for projects anymore, and certainly not on the same side as Lamine.

Madrid will be getting the River lad ahead of us too. He looks interesting.

Obviously it is never a guarantee that young players will succeed. But both Messinho and Mastejehhshsno look like they have games that fit Barcelona way more than Vitor Roque. Who will come good in Europe, but maybe not for us.

I like him but I question that we place passing and technique as the key attribute above all, then sign Kounde, Raphinha and Vitor Roque. While Deco fancies Onana and DMC and giving these pieces to Charvy.
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I agree those players on the face of it, fits us better that roque.

Unless that's what they were going for, something different.
 
DonAK

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Gotta say Messinho looks like an elite talent even if we need to see more.

If he was right-footed I'd have sold Laporta for obesity research to acquire him.
 
serghei

serghei

Senior Member
vuji_31 said:
I think they need to ask themselves what are odds that we win league against Vini, Bellingham, Rodrygo, Mbappe, Diaz and Endrick while we have 37 years old Lewa with 16 years old kid.

All of their players would be our starters.

We will not win league. With luck we have more chance for coming to CL final then winining league.

Thinng is we can sell Araujo and De Jong, and still have same uncessefull season as this.

We will pass the gruop in CL and be second in La Liga.

We can generate cash and get rid off big salery.

We can get Cancelo for cheap, and play him and Araujo from Las Palmas or Fort as RB.
Kounde, Christensen, Cubarsi, Faye, E.Garcia and Inigo M. as CB are enough for flop season.

We can generate 150mil through De Jong and Araujo and get great CDM and LW.

Nico 50mill plus Onana lets say should be around 110mil. We still have leverage.

We see Madrid playing Rudiger and Nacho as CB's and passing City.

I would rather have great CDM and LW then great CB.
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It can be done if we waste very very few points vs smaller teams. So, unlike this season. The objective is to go back to the mentality of 2022-23 when we were playing each game full of ambition and focus. And if Madrid feck up, we will be there hopefully to clinch it.

That's the job of Xavi and the rest of the staff. To make sure Madrid need to produce points total in the 90s to get the title. Make them work hard for it.

The ambition should be up there considering we ended up trophy-less this season while Madrid is close to another CL - La Liga double.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
Most would agree with de jong, we have to sell at least one player this summer I think.

It's the 3, I'd disagree with,Nico isn't better than raphinha or close TBH.

Nico huffs and buffs, but raphinha is the one that actually blows the house down, that would be a backwards step, if we get Nico and keep raphinha yes.

But Nico for raphinha naah,.maybe someone else, who I don't know.

Selling Araujo and not bringing in any one to replace him, as much as I rate Faye again is a bad ideal, especially if we don't buy a starter quality RB.

Araujo, Kounde, Christensen,cubarsi, is an Excellent sent of CBs,all for 60m.

I think next season is when you sell someone from the defensive line, at that point we will see how good Faye or Chadi is.

Out
de jong
Torres

For 100m, 70-80m de jong.

Zubi for 60m, and Nico for 50m.

I'd be all for that.
 
DonAK

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
I would keep Raphinha, sign Nico or honestly anyone else that is a good left-winger, quick as fuck and a very good dribbler. As long as that player doesn't cost a fantasy amount we cannot afford or 30+.

Then put Ferran under pressure to fuck off. He's the one who should be sold.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
serghei said:
On the finances issues, you are one of the one on this forum that is most well-documented.
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There is a different report everyday. A lot of what you said is true.

But as I said, if we fail to be under the cap until 2026, the lost money hunts you later. So if we are over our supposed spending with 100M this season (it might be even more) then it has to be counted for as expenses next one, decreasing the cap. Now till 2026 that is 2 seasons, we might be 200-400M of those over the cap expenditures. So the loop continues.

But again, this all assumptions, we might be 1:1 this year, we might not.
And again, if we have a knowledge that we are 1:1 before summer 2026, then for all things considered keep doing what we are doing. Keep squad intact and try to improve it around the margines with loans and FA etc. No complaint from our part.


But what if we don't?
This is where are discussing atm. Because for all what we know it seems the case.
Do you keep being stubborn about it and continues to fight the rules you as a club helped to create in the first place? With no end at the horizon? While risking inability to renew our players in 2026 (Pedri, Frenkie, Araujo, Christensen, Lamina, Gavi, Lewandowski, Gundogan are all FA in 2026, most of the rest in 2027).
This puts the pressure at the club to have a plan now.
 
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khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
jamrock said:
It's definitely not,

Arsenal
Milan
Inter
Valencia
And I'm probably forgetting a couple

All tried the take a step back approach and we saw the result.

What laporta did in 2021 is in no way comparable, that was a small adjustment which lasted a couple of months until he could put his plans in place.

The levelers, which isn't what is being debated so I won't get into that.

Point is that was a small adjustment in order for him to reshape the team the literally next summer and won the league.

What is being talked about his more of a medium term taking one step back, as our main competitor strengthens and we seriously think we can just flip the switch and be ready to compete again once we are ready.

Everything in sports history tells us that's not the case.

Teams who are at the top compete to always stay at the top,none of this let's take 2-3 years of business.

The relax for a couple of years and then let's go strategy even when executed perfectly or close to it, does not work,arsenal are the perfect example of that.

They thought they would be able to compete again in a few seasons, it took them like a decade, because no one was standing still for them to eventually catch up.
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Letting Messi and Griezmann go while replacing them with Luuk and Depay was a MASSIVE GIGANTIC STEP BACK, not a small adjustment. Not when the rest of team where in shambles.

Valancia, Arsenal & Milan decided to quit and they had no plan to rebound, had no FFP they were trying to solve. They were private clubs that their owners decided that being competitive isn't worth it financially.
Those are awful comparison to our situation or the discussion we have.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
khaled_a_d said:
Letting Messi and Griezmann go while replacing them with Luuk and Depay was a MASSIVE GIGANTIC STEP BACK, not a small adjustment. Not when the rest of team where in shambles.

Valancia, Arsenal & Milan decided to quit and they had no plan to rebound, had no FFP they were trying to solve. They were private clubs that their owners decided that being competitive isn't worth it financially.
Those are awful comparison to our situation or the discussion we have.
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Ah nope, we sold them to help with our finances and literally a few months later started to rebuild and won la Liga something like 12 months after.

Which is not what is being talking about, what is being talked about is exactly what those clubs did.

Internally accepting that we won't win for multiple seasons to get our financial business in order and then once we come out of it, we push to win again.

What has been shown by those clubs and many others, it simply doesn't work like that, it's not a switch you and turn on and off

Oh let's accept that we will lose for 3 seasons, then the 4th season, oh boy that's when we'll start winning again.

You'd be hard pressed to find an example of that working, while there is multiple examples of it not working, I just gave you 4 off the top of my head.

What laporta did by having to selling cheeseman and releasing Messi, is in not way accepting losing for multiple seasons.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Ah nope, we sold them to help with our finances and literally a few months later started to rebuild and won la Liga something like 12 months after.

Which is not what is being talking about, what is being talked about is exactly what those clubs did.
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You know that this is exactly what we are talking about, right?
No one is talking about multiple season thing, it is replacing 3 or 4 players with cheaper one to sort our finance and be able to make big signing by 2026 at max.
 
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jamrock

Senior Member
khaled_a_d said:
You know that this is exactly what we are talking about, right?
No one is talking about multiple season thing, it is replacing 3 or 4 players with cheaper one to sort our finance and be able to make big signing by 2026 at max.
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Porque was talking about multiple seasons,he spoke about 3 seasons under laporta, and you said accept losing internally for a few/couple seasons.

That's not what laporta did, it was 1 season and forced upon him my external factors.

1 season okay.
2 seasons You're pushing it.
3 seasons You're entering the zone those clubs I listed went into and it's not as easy as you and others try to imply to get out of it, clubs aren't going to stand still while we accept losing internally for multiple seasons, they will be well ahead of us.

You have to always keep the competitive spirit going in a truly big club,that's what separates us from the durtmonds of the world.
 
Messigician

Messigician

Senior Member
Estêvão outshines Endrick, just like Lamine did at the Bernabeu. Madrid fans were trying to convince me Endrick was better. This is the next Neymar, not Vini, not Rodrygo and certainly not Endrick.

Laporta has miserably failed this team if Estêvão doesn’t end up in Barcelona.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
jamrock said:
Porque was talking about multiple seasons,he spoke about 3 seasons under laporta, and you said accept losing internally for a few/couple seasons.

That's not what laporta did, it was 1 season and forced upon him my external factors.

1 season okay.
2 seasons You're pushing it.
3 seasons You're entering the zone those clubs I listed went into and it's not as easy as you and others try to imply to get out of it, clubs aren't going to stand still while we accept losing internally for multiple seasons, they will be well ahead of us.

You have to always keep the competitive spirit going in a truly big club,that's what separates us from the durtmonds of the world.
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Yes, Poque spoke about 3 seasons in the past to show where we stands now, that is different from suggesting 3 years rebuild.

He said this:

My point is that if push comes to shove, selling a few "starters" for 200m while investing half or less than that will have minimal difference on those targets.
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His point is, if we made such deals, would we get a much worse outcome in the short term than we had past 3 years?

And then, there is the problem that you are ignoring:
Which clubs that overspent it's abilities has managed to have continual success?
Italian clubs did it at late 90's and it destroyed them.
Everton tried it and ended up in relegation battle.
Chelsea is doing it now with no success.
Atletico, Betis, Villarreal & Malaga once tried to push for it and all ended up with with relegation in few seasons. never mind the likes of Deportivo, Racing & Zaragoza.
Only oil backed clubs did it with success.

So, it isn't like you are really presenting any true alternative.
 
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