Lionel Messi - v7

[F1_STK]

Shame on him and on Pep also.
Legends of the fall.

 

[soul24rage]

It's difficult for me to understand Messi's timing. After the team lost in Rome and Anfield it was all good. The squad actually accepted the blame for Anfield. There were no comments or tweets against Barto or the Board. There was a shit storm from the press about the way the team capitulated but the dressing room seemed pretty chill.

A couple weeks after that we lost the copa final and still nothing negative towards the board from the amigos or the team. Barto kept Valverde and all was good. The wheels were clearly falling off at that point but the mood with the players was still chill. Messi could have spoken back then about the direction of the sporting project but he said nothing. He could have used his leverage to let the socios know things were not good but didn't. Everything seemed cool. The mood with the board was pretty cool aswell, Barto had the support.

The first real drama i recall was when Barto was accused of using i3 ventures in a campaign against certain key players. I can't remember Messi or Pique saying much about that tbh. The whole story around that was blurry. After that there was the huge rift with Abidal after he called out the players for not working hard enough. That caused a HUGE backlash especially with the seniors. Around that time Valverde got dismissed aswell and that didn't sit well with them. That's when the board started to rock the boat.

The rift with Abidal for me was a sign that something was brewing between the board and the senior group. Its one of the rare times where Messi comes out publicly asking Abidal to name names. Barto didn't even fire him at that point, so the board more or less endorsed the position. I don't think what's happening now is primarily because of the sporting project but rather the board taking on the status quo in the dressing room. That's how i see it. After the 8-2 there was no place to hide anymore and as soon as Koeman started wielding that axe, you could tell there would be problems. The way the club went about letting players know their time is up shouldn't be underestimated either. Particularly with Suarez.

You made some good points. It just sucks that the Barto is so weak as president and granting these players influence that they shouldn't have had in the first place.

Imagine if we had someone like Flo Perez as president when the Roma defeat happened. He would have sacked Valverde with no hesitation.

 

[Givenchy]

I'm sorry but I just can't imagine Messi giving interviews in english if he moves to City or him yelling at Sterling or KDB if he gets pissed "pass me the ball you fuker"

Does Messi speak a word of english even?

 

[The Observer]

Barto really thought he was going to get away with his "I watched long enough but now I'm cleaning up - your, your and your contract is going to be terminated" shtick towards some of the most merited players in the club's history, while actually being the one and only culprit, who wasted half a billion Euros on trash while appointing trash manager like Setien midseason.

Absolutely necessary of Messi to not let him get away with that. Take your sacked-by-Everton manager and play your Coutinhos and Semedos and Griezmanns all you want. Not on the back of Messi keeping the club somewhat competitive while at the same time getting shat on through the media.

 

[Richard.H]

Does Messi speak a word of english even?

Nope, Pep and Aguero will teach him probably

 

[ItachiXXX]

It's difficult for me to understand Messi's timing. After the team lost in Rome and Anfield it was all good. The squad actually accepted the blame for Anfield. There were no comments or tweets against Barto or the Board. There was a shit storm from the press about the way the team capitulated but the dressing room seemed pretty chill.

A couple weeks after that we lost the copa final and still nothing negative towards the board from the amigos or the team. Barto kept Valverde and all was good. The wheels were clearly falling off at that point but the mood with the players was still chill. Messi could have spoken back then about the direction of the sporting project but he said nothing. He could have used his leverage to let the socios know things were not good but didn't. Everything seemed cool. The mood with the board was pretty cool aswell, Barto had the support.

The first real drama i recall was when Barto was accused of using i3 ventures in a campaign against certain key players. I can't remember Messi or Pique saying much about that tbh. The whole story around that was blurry. After that there was the huge rift with Abidal after he called out the players for not working hard enough. That caused a HUGE backlash especially with the seniors. Around that time Valverde got dismissed aswell and that didn't sit well with them. That's when the board started to rock the boat.

The rift with Abidal for me was a sign that something was brewing between the board and the senior group. Its one of the rare times where Messi comes out publicly asking Abidal to name names. Barto didn't even fire him at that point, so the board more or less endorsed the position. I don't think what's happening now is primarily because of the sporting project but rather the board taking on the status quo in the dressing room. That's how i see it. After the 8-2 there was no place to hide anymore and as soon as Koeman started wielding that axe, you could tell there would be problems. The way the club went about letting players know their time is up shouldn't be underestimated either. Particularly with Suarez.

It's not hard to understand that Messi was pissed before this season. Barca keeps on buying players that they dont need instead of improving the team they want him to carry all the loads for the team. Then in every failures Barto propaganda machine will put all the blame to Messi. Now their pet project with Koeman is either Lauturo or Depay. Conman is just a mouth piece of Barto against the seniors of Barca specially against Messi

 

[The Observer]

It's difficult for me to understand Messi's timing. After the team lost in Rome and Anfield it was all good. The squad actually accepted the blame for Anfield. There were no comments or tweets against Barto or the Board. There was a shit storm from the press about the way the team capitulated but the dressing room seemed pretty chill.

A couple weeks after that we lost the copa final and still nothing negative towards the board from the amigos or the team. Barto kept Valverde and all was good. The wheels were clearly falling off at that point but the mood with the players was still chill. Messi could have spoken back then about the direction of the sporting project but he said nothing. He could have used his leverage to let the socios know things were not good but didn't. Everything seemed cool. The mood with the board was pretty cool aswell, Barto had the support.

The first real drama i recall was when Barto was accused of using i3 ventures in a campaign against certain key players. I can't remember Messi or Pique saying much about that tbh. The whole story around that was blurry. After that there was the huge rift with Abidal after he called out the players for not working hard enough. That caused a HUGE backlash especially with the seniors. Around that time Valverde got dismissed aswell and that didn't sit well with them. That's when the board started to rock the boat.

The rift with Abidal for me was a sign that something was brewing between the board and the senior group. Its one of the rare times where Messi comes out publicly asking Abidal to name names. Barto didn't even fire him at that point, so the board more or less endorsed the position. I don't think what's happening now is primarily because of the sporting project but rather the board taking on the status quo in the dressing room. That's how i see it. After the 8-2 there was no place to hide anymore and as soon as Koeman started wielding that axe, you could tell there would be problems. The way the club went about letting players know their time is up shouldn't be underestimated either. Particularly with Suarez.

What's so difficult to understand? Bartomeu is the president who has spent € 150 million on a player who went on to be loaned out only to come on and score a brace against Barcelona in one of the biggest CL humiliations while another € 100M signing sits on Barca's bench and spectates. You couldn't make up a meme like that. Yet somehow, afterwards, he acts like the savior who terminates contracts of merited players like they were the culprits and presents himself as the savior who cleans house all of a sudden.

 

[frostdude1]

I am so mad and sad. I cannot believe that prick Barto is getting away with this. No one should be this hard to get rid of. He should have been fired by now. We are about to lose our greatest player of all time and all because of this evil coward of a president. We are going to regret this for years. Shame on everyone in Barcelona for letting this happen. There should be unbelievable Pressure for this prick president to resign immediately before we do anything stupid and sell Messi with no plan ahead.

 

[akaranzo]

I am so mad and sad. I cannot believe that prick Barto is getting away with this. No one should be this hard to get rid of. He should have been fired by now. We are about to lose our greatest player of all time and all because of this evil coward of a president. We are going to regret this for years. Shame on everyone in Barcelona for letting this happen. There should be unbelievable Pressure for this prick president to resign immediately before we do anything stupid and sell Messi with no plan ahead.

Bartomeu's a fucking parasite on this club, but even if he left this very moment it will take us at least 2-3 seasons to properly rebuild and compete for the CL again. Messi is 33, chances are the next 2-3 seasons are his last chances to win the CL. It just makes sense for him to leave and go somewhere where he has a better chance of doing that. And with us needing to do a complete rebuild, it even makes sense for us to be able to make younger players the focus of the team instead of Messi. It hurts, it's a painful time and it's aggravating seeing Bartomeu stay despite the fucking shitstorm he's caused but I personally think Messi and the club parting ways at this point is the best option for both sides.

 

[Richard.H]

Another thing that has not been discussed in this thread is the amount of potential advertising and marketing money that will be lost if he's gone. Without Messi, we are basically a Sevilla/Valencia level team when it comes to attracting sponsors.

Ronaldinho brought massive attention to this club from a ton of sponsors and you could say Messi kind of carried that torch. We are facing an uncertain time in the club where finances and club success don't look so good. Also no really good prospective player to attract sponsors. Griezmann is our most famous player if Messi and the amigos are gone

 

[frostdude1]

Bartomeu's a fucking parasite on this club, but even if he left this very moment it will take us at least 2-3 seasons to properly rebuild and compete for the CL again. Messi is 33, chances are the next 2-3 seasons are his last chances to win the CL. It just makes sense for him to leave and go somewhere where he has a better chance of doing that. And with us needing to do a complete rebuild, it even makes sense for us to be able to make younger players the focus of the team instead of Messi. It hurts, it's a painful time and it's aggravating seeing Bartomeu stay despite the fucking shitstorm he's caused but I personally think Messi and the club parting ways at this point is the best option for both sides.

I totally understand what you are saying and I agree with some of it. But Messi doesn?t need to leave to win. And look at players like Totti and Maldini, they didn?t leave for that reason. Messi doesn?t have to either. Messi has already won a lot with us and yes the past 4 years have been absolute shit-shows which wasted some of his years. But leaving is not the only option. I just wish he was more direct in his ?it?s me or Barto? war. This may be his last tactic and I hope it is and I hope it works. I understand what you are saying but there is a world where we rebuild around Messi and have a few good years to end his career here. We might not win the CL but Messi being here under a new project where he is successful and the clubs builds for the future can go hand in hand, they are not exclusive, if done right.

 

[akaranzo]

I totally understand what you are saying and I agree with some of it. But Messi doesn?t need to leave to win. And look at players like Totti and Maldini, they didn?t leave for that reason. Messi doesn?t have to either. Messi has already won a lot with us and yes the past 4 years have been absolute shit-shows which wasted some of his years. But leaving is not the only option. I just wish he was more direct in his ?it?s me or Barto? war. This may be his last tactic and I hope it is and I hope it works. I understand what you are saying but there is a world where we rebuild around Messi and have a few good years to end his career here. We might not win the CL but Messi being here under a new project where he is successful and the clubs builds for the future can go hand in hand, they are not exclusive, if done right.

I mean sure that's a nice idea but Messi's a little bit of a different case from Totti or Maldini. We're talking about the best player in the history of football here. As dreamy as it would be for him to dedicate his last seasons to the club and oversee the start of a new generation, it's just asking a little too much from him and we have to respect his wishes. I think he feels he still has something to prove to the world and wants really cement himself as the greatest of all time and the way to do that is to win games, win titles and dominate with a great team. Unfortunately Barca just isn't the place for that right now.

 

[Jadentheman]

Bartomeu's a fucking parasite on this club, but even if he left this very moment it will take us at least 2-3 seasons to properly rebuild and compete for the CL again. Messi is 33, chances are the next 2-3 seasons are his last chances to win the CL. It just makes sense for him to leave and go somewhere where he has a better chance of doing that. And with us needing to do a complete rebuild, it even makes sense for us to be able to make younger players the focus of the team instead of Messi. It hurts, it's a painful time and it's aggravating seeing Bartomeu stay despite the fucking shitstorm he's caused but I personally think Messi and the club parting ways at this point is the best option for both sides.

It also allows him to prove to doubters that he can raise any team to win CL. And perform in the PL. There will be A LOT more eyes watching him in PL than La Liga

 

[Richard.H]

It also allows him to prove to doubters that he can raise any team to win CL. And perform in the PL. There will be A LOT more eyes watching him in PL than La Liga

Would cement him as the GOAT, no doubt

 

[Cule For Life]

Don't blame him if anything should've left a few years back, this board ruined his peak and denied us a few CL.