clemente
New member
If you call Suarez world class then you should call a traffic cone world class too.
If you call Suarez world class then you should call a traffic cone world class too.
Sorin
Well-known member
Why the hell don't people understand that it's not the fucking players that are the main reason for the debacle in the last 2 years is beyond me. Sure, the lack of leadership, pace and buddy buddy kisses on the side is one reason but not nearly the main one. When the team performs almost the same against Getafe, Alaves, Leganes, Levante etc. as against Liverpool you know that the team is coached like shit. Let's say we have worse players than Liverpool(this a joke, we actually have better players in all but 4 positions at worst), we sure as hell don't have worse players than those teams I've mentioned above, no matter how hard you hate these players. How many times have these teams pressed better than us, wasted clear cut chances or had us pinned back with even better possession football than us? Too many times to count on my hands and feet and that's not because Siovas is better than Pique, it's not because Rochina is better than Coutinho or Borja Baston is better than Messi, it's because their coaches have a fucking clue and knows the strengths of his players and coaches them to act as team as opposed to the clueless bastard we have now. I.e. we try to play like Atletico fucking Madrid at times with players suitable to a whole other system.
Another point, it's no fucking use getting rid of players like Rakitic, Busquets or Suarez if the coach will still be the same pragmatic, passive, scared little shit we have now. You'll only have De Jong, Arthur or Griezmann playing the same kind of shitty bus parking tactics that have failed us 2 years in the row. So, instead of them being coached to play as a cohesive unit based on their tactical and technical profile, you'll have the same unorganized bunch of headless chickens running about, depending on Messi bailing us in attack and Ter Stegen saving the numerous shots on goal we'll have to face, as usual.
It all starts and ends with the mediocre managers and coaching the team has received for the past years and I'd extend "the past years" to six years ago when Tito was still our coach. All the managers since then have depended on individual quality more than any tactical input they could muster to impart these players with. It will show when the trophies won with Barcelona will be their only important titles in their whole career. And yeah, this includes Lucho too.
Another point, it's no fucking use getting rid of players like Rakitic, Busquets or Suarez if the coach will still be the same pragmatic, passive, scared little shit we have now. You'll only have De Jong, Arthur or Griezmann playing the same kind of shitty bus parking tactics that have failed us 2 years in the row. So, instead of them being coached to play as a cohesive unit based on their tactical and technical profile, you'll have the same unorganized bunch of headless chickens running about, depending on Messi bailing us in attack and Ter Stegen saving the numerous shots on goal we'll have to face, as usual.
It all starts and ends with the mediocre managers and coaching the team has received for the past years and I'd extend "the past years" to six years ago when Tito was still our coach. All the managers since then have depended on individual quality more than any tactical input they could muster to impart these players with. It will show when the trophies won with Barcelona will be their only important titles in their whole career. And yeah, this includes Lucho too.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
Just got banned from r/barca for posting 'No I just think Valverde is a risk averse mediocre midtable coach.' as a reply. r/barca supporting valverde isn't surprising but i genuinely didn't think they could get anymore retarded there.
Sorin
Well-known member
I have posted about Alena needing more minutes to be better developed and claimed that Rakitic, Busi or Coutinho could've seen less minutes than they had and Alena could've taken their place. Got a reply like, Alena has been developed great by Valverde and he got enough minutes as it is.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the usual suspects from around here.
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Cule4life
The Culest
Would not be suprised if the subreddit was run by Valgreen worshippers like Horatio and Ursegor.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
I posted about Alena needing more minutes to be better developed and claimed that Rakitic, Busi or Coutinho could've seen less minutes than they had and Alena could've taken their place. Got a reply like, Alena has been developed great by Valverde and he got enough minutes as it is.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was one of the usual suspects from around here.
Reddit is such an overrated site. The Karma system isn't well thought out, It makes makes genuine debate fairly difficult and fairly lopsided when not holding the more popular opinion. The moderation and lack of appeal/standards enable it to be nothing more than an echo chamber so the moronic sheeple can all feel good about themselves.
I wouldn't be either, i could add a few names to that list as well.
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Sorin
Well-known member
I don't even care about upvotes or downvotes but the fact that more than 10 people on there(got that many downvotes) thought that Alena has been greatly developed by Valverde and received enough minutes really shows the football knowledge level of the people in there. It's the same shit as when people look at stat sites to base their opinions on the value of the players.
Respekt_III
Anti-everything
I think they just watch 3 minutes highlights and may venture into the stats world when trying to win an online argument. You can't watch us and think we play amazing football...
I think i got -30 downvotes for posting we don't play attacking football under valverde when i firstly joined, It meant that i could only post one comment per 20 minutes or so lol...
Anyway my faint (absolutely delusional) hope is that he resigns after the tinpot cup final.
jairzinho
Senior Member
Not normal ?
Ernie probably thinks this is Bilbao.
Getting thumped in the CL is not normal.
This is not the problem with Barca right now though is it. It doesn't matter if only those players you mention are world class. If Klopp or Pep had been in charge, this Barca side would have played infinitely better football the last two years and not have been thumped 4-0 or 3-0 like weaklings.
As others keep pointing out it is quite simple; with Valverde Barca lack any vision from the top down, and they have a squad that cannot be motivated by the manager. These two points are the reason why we got thumped 3-0 and 4-0 whilst playing shit football at the same time. Getting torn apart 4-0 is bad enough, but to do it whilst playing slow, error-prone and low-technique football is unforgiveable.
I just saw Pep's City destroy Watford in FA Cup final 6-0. Even after the game was finished, there was footage of Pep standing with Raheem Sterling pointing out areas in the game where he could improve. We need a manager that has this kind of passion, motivation and vision. Granted, there probably isn't any other managers quite as good as Pep in these regards, but there are certainly MANY that are better than Ernesto Valverde, which is what is so disastrous about the decision to keep him on.
xXKonan
Senior Member
Some of the R/Barca users remind me of guys like Ramzi/Captain Guardiola etc on twitter.
It amazes me just how low standards they have when it comes to this Barca. Sure I love this club and will watch no matter what, but it doesn't mean I have to sit here and accept how awful things can be even though we did win the league and possibly the Copa.
Coach and players shouldn't immune to criticism, especially someone like Valverde who is supposed to be the leader of this team. Everything including tactics, motivation, etc is all down to him. It's his responsibility to get team prepped and ready and also making key adjustments when needed.
If he can't get it right then there's no reason for us to lay down and take it. We aren't some EL-Midtable team. This is FC Barcelona, have some actual standards of once and instead of eating shit that Valverde is trying to shovel onto your plate.
It amazes me just how low standards they have when it comes to this Barca. Sure I love this club and will watch no matter what, but it doesn't mean I have to sit here and accept how awful things can be even though we did win the league and possibly the Copa.
Coach and players shouldn't immune to criticism, especially someone like Valverde who is supposed to be the leader of this team. Everything including tactics, motivation, etc is all down to him. It's his responsibility to get team prepped and ready and also making key adjustments when needed.
If he can't get it right then there's no reason for us to lay down and take it. We aren't some EL-Midtable team. This is FC Barcelona, have some actual standards of once and instead of eating shit that Valverde is trying to shovel onto your plate.
Barcilliant
Senior Member
From Sport, :
The squad has little competition, is ageing and is comfortable. There are too many sacred cows and they have too much power. The cannons are pointing at the players. Meanwhile, Bartomeu 'saves' Valverde, who becomes his umbrella. If all goes well, it's a great decision. If it doesn't, the coach will eventually pay.
The squad has little competition, is ageing and is comfortable. There are too many sacred cows and they have too much power. The cannons are pointing at the players. Meanwhile, Bartomeu 'saves' Valverde, who becomes his umbrella. If all goes well, it's a great decision. If it doesn't, the coach will eventually pay.
Despite all his flaws, Valverde is the ideal manager to coach the final years of our legendary seniors' careers.
Fans must be patient. A revolution is inevitable, but just not now.
In 5 years you same folk complaining about the state of our football club in 2019 will long for these days again when we were at least winning.
Obiaseti
New member
I guess the one good thing from him staying is that it sends all managers the message that they will have time to experiment and try out their ideas here and will have the boards backing. But we need to use that good credit to actually recruit a top manager, not another mediocre one.
Givenchy
Senior Member
i don't think that gives us any credit really.. Madrid hire and fire their way to the top and they still have the pick of any manager in the world.
sadly, after Ernie we'll end up hiring another ex-Barca DNA drone, probably Unzue
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