Adrien Rabiot

Barcilliant

Senior Member
You see, my "problem" lately with posters here is that people are starting to create a myth that Pep's Barca=equals Barca.
And that everything what Pep was doing is the same as what Barca has always been doing.
Nut that is a nonsense.

For example:
1. Barca always played a possession football, true.
But, let's say that in the past it was a 70% possession football and 30% of other styles.
While with Pep, he went into extremes and turned us into a 99% possession based team.
2. further, Barca always had technical midfielders and 1-2 brilliant individuals in attack.
But, before Pep, we always had a mixture of workhorses/taller&stronger guys and some Xavi-Iniesta type of players.
While with Pep, he turned our team into a team filled with 172 cm tall players, as the only possible way of playing.
So, no, 172 cm tall players were not ALWAYS Barca's style. That's Pep's crazy invention.

So, you see, my problem is that people are lately selling a story how extreme possession was always our way and how that is "Barca's DNA" which is not true.
That is "Pep's DNA", not "Barca's DNA".
Also, players like Arthur are Pep's DNA, not necessarily Barca's DNA.

About what Rabiot brings, I will post a few good old players from our team who looked and played way different than "Pep's DNA" players.
Micahel Laudrup, a brain of Cruijff's Dream team.
183 cm tall player. Extremely smart and technical.
But I have a feeling that today, our posters would reply: Noooo, he is not our type of player. He is too tall and doesn't fit into our Tiki-Taka play. We need someone shorter, like David Silva, Arthur etc.
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Edmilson, our Cdm in Rijkaard's glory days.
186 cm tall Brasilian.
People today would probably reply: noo, he doesn't fit "our style", let's rather develop Oriol Busquets, Arthur or someone shorter, with better passing abilities.
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Philip Cocu, 185 cm tall, Dutch versatile player, mostly used as a workhorse and a player for dirty jobs at Barca.
With Dani Alves, a foreign player who played the highest amount of matches for Barca. 205 caps for a player without too much Barca's DNA.
Imagine if we wanted Cocu today. Our forum would whine for years. Why do we need Cocu? We need Arthur, Alena, Oriol, we need to go back to "Barca's DNA", lol :lol:
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Or in the first Rijkaard's season, a coach was on a verge of getting sacked. We were 1 point from the relegation zone in the middle of a season, lol.
Rijkaard then brought Davids from Juventus, and Davids brought some muscles and aggression to our team full of too nice schoolboys.
What happened? Davids and Ronaldinho almost won a title in the end when we had 10+ la liga matches winning streak in the last rounds.
Imagine if we were linked with Davids as our midfielder today, ouch.
People would say: Davids? What about Alena, Arthur, Oriol, Barca's DNA players?
You see, you can't play only with short schoolboys, you need some stronger and aggressive players.
Pep is the only coach in the world who has ever played with an army of schoolboys.
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Or Thiago Motta (187 cm tall CDM-CM) from early 2000s, back in the days when La Masia talents weren't only 170 cm tall midfielders:
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So, I am tired of this newly created urban myth how Xavi-Iniesta is a way how we have ALWAYS played.
We played that way ONLY when we had Xavi and Iniesta.
Never before that, and I hope, NEVER after that, because it worked only for a short period and because we had Xavi-Messi-Iniesta on their prime.

So, what Rabiot and similar guys could bring?
Well, something different than Denis, Samper, Rafinha, Alena, Coutinho, Busi, Oriol, Arthur and similar.
We don't need the same type of a player replicated 18 times.

Rabiot is OK. Would take Kante over him though.

It's time we get a thuggish, physical midfielder though.
 
M

MessiCam

Guest
Rijkaard played a lot of matches with let's say: Edmilson-Van Bommel-Xavi/Deco midfield even before Xavi's injury in December of 2005'.
For example:
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spielbericht/index/spielbericht/49091
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/120150/Live/Spain-La-Liga-2005-2006-Real-Betis-Barcelona

Edmilson-Van Bommel-Xavi midfield.

** But also, another thing:
Van Bommel was a thug. He was a dirty, dirty guy.
Thiago Motta was also a dirty guy.
Edmilson was a dirty guy sometimes also.
So, our midfield, not only that had more height and muscles back then, but also had thugs, like current AM's guys.
So, we had schoolboys like Xavi mixed with dirty thugs.
On the other hand, what do we have now?
= a bunch of nice, scared, schoolboys with good technique and zero courage.

Name one thug/tough guy in our current midfield who will scare the opponents in a physical way?
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We turned from a team with normal footballers into Pep's team of short, technical schoolboys with zero variation among players.
Ok, we bought some stronger players, but look at wishes from our posters: Busi-Alena-Arthur, Coutinho, Denis, Thiago. Lol.
The same player multiplied 6 times.

Just look at Pep's city.
His midfielders and even attacking players. A museum of short, technical players.
At the end of the day, Pep has a fetish on short technical players and my "problem" is that a lot of fans are accepting that thing as "Barca's DNA".
No, that's Pep's fetish, not Barca's DNA.

** Gudjohnsen was bought to play as a forward and an attacking midfielder under Rijkaard.
Laporta wanted Henry.
Txiki wanted Forlan.
Rijkaard wanted Gudi, due to his versatility and different attacking options.

With Rijkaard, it was more about: as many different options as possible.
With Pep it is: play only 1 option and try to get it to perfection. If it works=awesome. If not=then we are screwed, as all Pep's teams are post 2011'.
Are you even reading what you post?

Deco wasn’t in those lineups because he wasn’t available for selection. Injury, personal problems... Who knows?

You act as if these “thug” midfields were the norm under Rijkaard. They weren’t. Rijkaard’s midfield of choice was Deco, Edmilson and Xavi. That there were physical DM’s around means nothing. Many teams employ a destroyer as a DM.

You have this blind hate for Guardiola based on what you perceive to be a fetish on short players when in the grand scheme of things nothing could be further from the truth. Look at his City team... In his preferred midfield only David Silva can be considered short.

And yes, employing technical players is part of Barca’s DNA and has been since Cruyff was around. Cruyff was the one that showed the necessary faith in Guardiola when nobody would even look at him due to his size. There were others too... Bakero, Eusebio, Amor, Stoichkov, Ferrer.
 

YodaMaster

Member
LMAO this boy [MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] has completely lost his mind. Man go away from this forum, go support Chelsea or Atletico Madrid or some other shit team with 11 thugs with muscles playing the bus in front of own goal tactics.
Because you clearly don’t know what Barca is all about.

Pep’s DNA = Barça’s DNA. It doesn’t get any clearer than that. Pep learned everything from Cruijff. And Cruijff is Barcelona. Pep just deepened what Cruijff started decades before, which is total football. If you dislike Pep’s main ideas, you dislike Criujff’s main ideas too, which means you dislike Barca’s main ideas because they’re all the same. Just go support another club you clown.

«*Pep playing with only short technical players at City*» yeah sure. De Bruyne (1,82m) Gundogan (1,8m) Fernandinho (1,77) Sané (1,83m) Mendy (1,85m) all are manlets right ?

Pep doesn’t look for short players, he looks for technical players in order to play a sexy, beautiful and technical football. The fact that shorter players are often the most technical ones isn’t Pep’s fault. If you have a problem with that, go support Stoke City. You don’t know what Barca is about and whatever reason you support this club for is a wrong one.

Talking about Laudrup lol... Dude Laudrup was one of the most gifted players of his time technically wise, he had that Iniesta/Zidane style of play... If Laudrup was playing in 2018, Barcelona should have absolutely gone for him and bring him at the club, even if he’d cost 200ME.
You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, you just looking at numbers (height) and making dumb conclusions.
 

JamDav1982

Senior Member
It is a pointless argument as Barcelona like every team ever do need physicality, height etc in the team even Pep had that.

The argument just seems to go to extremes one way or another.

BBZ you were predicting these 'bunch of pussies at Barca' were a cert to win CL this season even during the Roma game so you are revising history.

Pep was not pure Cruyff either he has spoken about how he learned from likes of Bielsa, Wenger and even from watching Mous Chelsea. He took elements from all of them.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Yes because what we need is another dude who moves in a slow pace in our already slow midfield with an already slow Busquets in it. Coutinho helps, but perhaps it would help even more if we get a more mobile and faster MF as well.

For one: We'll be able to press better and do better defensively with a more energetic and faster midfield + it helps in counter attacks.

We need to evolve. The only slow midfielder we can afford is Busquets.

It's not about workhorse or tall or smaller players. It's about energy, pace and mobility.
 
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FCBfan22

Senior Member
OOOOJOOOOOO!!!!

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Fans can dream. :)

Ah, it's the Spanish Leprechaun again.

Don't get your hopes up, guys.


Anyways, we have 2 good DMs, Busi and Raki with Oriol coming next season. How about investing in mobile attacking midfielders?
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
If you look at the teams with the best midfields, what do they have in common? Players with good mobility, high energy and decent pace.

We absolutely cannot afford another slow player in our midfield, or even in our team. We have Messi with limited mobility and energy that comes and goes. Suarez who is slow and has limited mobility recently with his knee issues and in our midfield we have Busquets.

Rabiot in this team would be really bad IMO. We have one of the slowest teams out there right now that moves at times like it's a team of retired players. Adding Rabiot is just adding to your existing problems.

For that reason maybe Thiago is not the best option either.
 

Joan

Well-known member
It's not about workhorse or tall or smaller players. It's about energy, pace and mobility.

I tend to agree with this. Not that I wouldn't like Rabiot here (in Paulinho's place if he goes) but generally.

Niko Kovač gave an interview, I'll post it here. The highlight would be: "In the past, It used to be that the big players were eating the small ones, but today the fast is eating the slow"

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DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Kovac is 100% right.

I mean look at every team that got a very decent functional midfield. Let's take three examples:

Real Madrid: Modric, Kroos and Casemiro - Only one slow player there that is Kroos. Both Casemiro and Modric have either decent pace or good acceleration and good to great mobility

Bayern: James, Javi Martinez/Thiago, Tolisso/Arturo Vidal - Thiago and Javi Martinez being the only slow players here although Thiago can be a fairly mobile player when he moves.

Man City: De Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho - De Bruyne and Fernandinho are both mobile, both high energetic and both got decent pace. Silva is more on the slower side, but again they only got one such player in their midfield.

We can only have one such player in our midfield and that is Busquets.

Which is why someone like Pjanic, Rabiot and arguably even Thiago might not be a good option for us.

Arthur seem to be quite a mobile player with great acceleration similar to Modric, but we'll have to see how he does for us in European Football.

We do need another mobile, faster midfielder to complement Coutinho and Busquets as a starter right now though. This is why Rakitic also struggles in a 3 man midfield. Great stamina, but on the slower side and not mobile enough.

I think this is even more critical for us considering we have Messi and Suarez in attack with both not being very mobile players.
 

Morten

Senior Member
Kovac is 100% right.

I mean look at every team that got a very decent functional midfield. Let's take three examples:

Real Madrid: Modric, Kroos and Casemiro - Only one slow player there that is Kroos. Both Casemiro and Modric have either decent pace or good acceleration and good to great mobility

Bayern: James, Javi Martinez/Thiago, Tolisso/Arturo Vidal - Thiago and Javi Martinez being the only slow players here although Thiago can be a fairly mobile player when he moves.

Man City: De Bruyne, Silva and Fernandinho - De Bruyne and Fernandinho are both mobile, both high energetic and both got decent pace. Silva is more on the slower side, but again they only got one such player in their midfield.

We can only have one such player in our midfield and that is Busquets.

Which is why someone like Pjanic, Rabiot and arguably even Thiago might not be a good option for us.

Arthur seem to be quite a mobile player with great acceleration similar to Modric, but we'll have to see how he does for us in European Football.

We do need another mobile, faster midfielder to complement Coutinho and Busquets as a starter right now though. This is why Rakitic also struggles in a 3 man midfield. Great stamina, but on the slower side and not mobile enough.

I think this is even more critical for us considering we have Messi and Suarez in attack with both not being very mobile players.

Pretty much the reason why i dont rate Kroos quite as high as Modric, tbh.
Its not really about who is better on the ball, Kroos is simply slow, while Modric is very mobile and can run up and down. Kroos works well for us though, and im not thinking we should replace him, its just that he has this weakness with tempo the other two midfielders doesnt have.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
The more I read about this rumor the more I think Abidal is the one pushing hard for this one.

Sure we were linked with him before but it seems things picked up again when Abidal replaced Robert.
 

Catta

Senior Member
Please not him, Paulinho is twice the player Rabiot is, don't want mamas boy anywhere near Barca, not even for free.
 

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Rabiot would not be a good fit at all IMO. Static, not really standout in any skills we need. Seems like he'd be a better Gomes.

I'd rather drop 40-50 for De Jong now than get Rabiot and waste time with him (and he could also get in the way of Arthur).
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
I tend to agree with this. Not that I wouldn't like Rabiot here (in Paulinho's place if he goes) but generally.

Niko Kovač gave an interview, I'll post it here. The highlight would be: "In the past, It used to be that the big players were eating the small ones, but today the fast is eating the slow"

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Gold. Pure gold from Kovac. It is not 2009 anymore. If we are to play Barca DNA football it has to be with bigger, stronger, faster players who are more direct. Speed is crucial and needs to be backed up with technical ability.

The reason Rm won so many cl in the last few years is the midfield plus a balanced approach to attack. They can score goals from all sorts of situations. They are multi dimensional in attack while we are one dimensional.
 

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