Antoine Griezmann

[BBZ8800]

1. If Dembele will make it and we buy Griezmann, we will have 5 star players.
We will have to rotate.

2. If Dembele/Griezmann will fail, we will have only 4 star players.
No problem then.

3. If Dembele will fail and we don't buy Griezmann, we will have only 3 star players.

4. If Dembele will fail, we don't buy Griezmann, and Messi/Luis/Coutinho get injured, we will have only 2 star players like in this season.

Too many fans here are too romantic.
I don't believe that all out of Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele will make it here.
Something always goes wrong.

Someone will fail/get injured and we will have 3-4 star players most of the time.

 

[Much2soon]

You can never have too many stars, I think we’ll be fine with our 5 attacking players next season. I believe in Valverde will do well to keep them all happy, It will mean more rest for Messi/Suárez which at their age is never a bad thing.

 

[serghei]

I think Atletico reporting us and then their CEO Gil Marin confirming contact between the club and his parents might have sealed it. But like khaled might have suggested, this seem like an opportunity for the Catalan press to bring up an old story again just to destabilize Atletico before the game on Sunday lol.

Btw, I came across this thread: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/anto...t-with-griezmann.432140/page-43#post-22229906

Guys there trying to comfort themselves with the thought of them signing Dembele so we can balance our books

Not only that, but also playing the 'We rejected Griezmann for Alexis' narrative. As if Man Utd didn't know he rejected them and was nearing a move to us lol.

Whatever happens with this, I hope it doesn't screw over Dembele. Valverde will need to give him enough chances and minutes and balance it all.

Some gold pieces there. My favourite is 'Griezmann is a 50m £ player at best'. FFS if Griezmann is worth 50m. then they overpayed for Lukaku with 60m. £.

When I was a kid I used to have a good laugh reading Donald Duck comic books. Now, there's redcafe. It's just as funny.

He'd be the best player in their team bar none.

 

[Jombi]

1. If Dembele will make it and we buy Griezmann, we will have 5 star players.
We will have to rotate.

2. If Dembele/Griezmann will fail, we will have only 4 star players.
No problem then.

3. If Dembele will fail and we don't buy Griezmann, we will have only 3 star players.

4. If Dembele will fail, we don't buy Griezmann, and Messi/Luis/Coutinho get injured, we will have only 2 star players like in this season.

Too many fans here are too romantic.
I don't believe that all out of Coutinho, Griezmann and Dembele will make it here.
Something always goes wrong.

Someone will fail/get injured and we will have 3-4 star players most of the time.

We probably have to hope that 2 of the 5 superstars get injured so Valverde can continue playing 4 midfielders and 2 forwards, lol. Cant see Valverde benching any of those players for most of the season just to continue playing his formation. Calling it "rotating" is romantic. Its benching. He's already feeling forced to play all four of Coutinho, Dembele, Messi and Suarez.

 

[henias]

Most fans view rotations as an easier process to handle than it is in reality, these are superstars we are talking about, unless Griezmann doesnt mind being a 100 mil bench warmer, I just dont see how this is gonna work out.

Suarez will probably last for another 2-3 seasons, and for Griezmann to get consistent time, he will have to wait till 29-30 years old.

As good as the deal sounds, people are just assuming Suarez will be finished or Dembele doesnt make it, just for the sake of grabbing a world class player before others. If all scenarios doesnt happen(which is very likely), then we are in for a big trouble.

 

[Catta]

If real could have Isco as a backup for so long, why can't we do the same with Dembele until Messi and Suarez are 33. Next season with Griezmann, Suarez, Coutinho and Dembele we can win against anyone even if Messi is unavailable.

 

[Raketa10]

Way too many people here concerned about potential Griezmann transfer. We might have too many world class players!!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FFS this is only good thing, definitely not bad. Real lost James because he was shit and not because they had to many world class players. James will never be a top player. If we forget his 2014 world cup performance he could never be considered a world class player.

We are finally on the right path now. After few years of bad or not so good transfers (Gomes, Douglas, Mathieu, Paco, Digne, Paulinho, Denis, Deulofeu, Vermaelen...) we bought Dembele and Coutinho and we are in a pole position for Griezmann and Arthur and potentially in a race for De Jong and De Light. We are finally looking for world class players or young talented players with great potential. I see this as a clever change of strategy and definitely not a problem.

 

[Sorin]

I think Atletico reporting us and then their CEO Gil Marin confirming contact between the club and his parents might have sealed it. But like khaled might have suggested, this seem like an opportunity for the Catalan press to bring up an old story again just to destabilize Atletico before the game on Sunday lol.

Btw, I came across this thread: http://www.redcafe.net/threads/anto...t-with-griezmann.432140/page-43#post-22229906

Guys there trying to comfort themselves with the thought of them signing Dembele so we can balance our books

Not only that, but also playing the 'We rejected Griezmann for Alexis' narrative. As if Man Utd didn't know he rejected them and was nearing a move to us lol.

Whatever happens with this, I hope it doesn't screw over Dembele. Valverde will need to give him enough chances and minutes and balance it all.

They actually think Umtiti is going to leave us for them.

 

[BBZ8800]

Way too many people here concerned about potential Griezmann transfer. We might have too many world class players!!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FFS this is only good thing, definitely not bad. Real lost James because he was shit and not because they had to many world class players. James will never be a top player. If we forget his 2014 world cup performance he could never be considered a world class player.

We are finally on the right path now. After few years of bad or not so good transfers (Gomes, Douglas, Mathieu, Paco, Digne, Paulinho, Denis, Deulofeu, Vermaelen...) we bought Dembele and Coutinho and we are in a pole position for Griezmann and Arthur and potentially in a race for De Jong and De Light. We are finally looking for world class players or young talented players with great potential. I see this as a clever change of strategy and definitely not a problem.

About the 2nd part where you mention Arthur, De Jong, De Light (Ruiz) and similar.
New prospects always look shinier then guys from the past who already failed.

For example:
Barca B player from 2012:
People used to say: he will make it.
Later he failed.
Barca B player from 2013:
People used to say: he will make it.
Later he failed the same as a 2012 guy.
The same happened in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017.

But still, whenever a new guy will come, this time a Barca B player from a 2018, people will say:
Yes, but this guy is BETTER than guys from 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.
They had major flaws.
This guy is way different.

Then, usually, even that guy will fail in the same fashion as all other guys before him.
And in 2019, people will again say the same old thing all over again:
This guy from 2019 is better than guys from 2012-2018.
If someone asks: but these guys from previous years were also hyped back then.
Reply will always be: No, no. This new guy is different than guys from the past because of XX or YY reason.

My point: transfers of Coutinho, Griezmann and probably Dembele were good.
But Arthur, De Jong and similar, they currently look as transfers of Denis, Gomes, Paco.
Those guys were also good, young and had potential 2 years ago.
Gomes and Paco were NT players, Gomes was a starter.

If possible, don't jump into a hype train too easily and think that new guys are waaaaay different than similar guys bought in the last 2-3 years.
Arthur and De Jong are just new "attempts", our classical gambling.
If they will make it=fine.
If not=we will buy 2 new Arthurs each new season.

I have predicted something like that in the past:
= we will just keep buying new midfielders all the time, until when we'll eventually hit a gem.
But till then, our other starter midfielders will retire and then we'll just continue to buy 2 new Cms each summer, more or less till eternity.

So, be prepared for 2 new Arthurs in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 etc.

 

[henias]

So, be prepared for 2 new Arthurs in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 etc.

Or we can buy 5 more Dembeles in one year.

If real could have Isco as a backup for so long, why can't we do the same with Dembele until Messi and Suarez are 33. Next season with Griezmann, Suarez, Coutinho and Dembele we can win against anyone even if Messi is unavailable.

If we want Dembele to be integrated, it's best we give him more playing time. When Griezmann comes, he wont sit on the bench that's for sure, different case from Isco, I fear Valverde may feel the need to force Griezmann into the lineup and probably take Dembele off because Suarez is the more experienced one. It will either threaten one of Suarez or Dembele.

Like I said, may cause problems for the coach and from the player. We do not know exactly how they will be utilised and there's always a risk.

I have no problem that we are on the right track signing potential players but loading our frontline with superstars is another story.

 

[Raketa10]

About the 2nd part where you mention Arthur, De Jong, De Light (Ruiz) and similar.
New prospects always look shinier then guys from the past who already failed.

For example:
Barca B player from 2012:
People used to say: he will make it.
Later he failed.
Barca B player from 2013:
People used to say: he will make it.
Later he failed the same as a 2012 guy.
The same happened in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2017.

But still, whenever a new guy will come, this time a Barca B player from a 2018, people will say:
Yes, but this guy is BETTER than guys from 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017.
They had major flaws.
This guy is way different.

Then, usually, even that guy will fail in the same fashion as all other guys before him.
And in 2019, people will again say the same old thing all over again:
This guy from 2019 is better than guys from 2012-2018.
If someone asks: but these guys from previous years were also hyped back then.
Reply will always be: No, no. This new guy is different than guys from the past because of XX or YY reason.

My point: transfers of Coutinho, Griezmann and probably Dembele were good.
But Arthur, De Jong and similar, they currently look as transfers of Denis, Gomes, Paco.
Those guys were also good, young and had potential 2 years ago.
Gomes and Paco were NT players, Gomes was a starter.

If possible, don't jump into a hype train too easily and think that new guys are waaaaay different than similar guys bought in the last 2-3 years.
Arthur and De Jong are just new "attempts", our classical gambling.
If they will make it=fine.
If not=we will buy 2 new Arthurs each new season.

I have predicted something like that in the past:
= we will just keep buying new midfielders all the time, until when we'll eventually hit a gem.
But till then, our other starter midfielders will retire and then we'll just continue to buy 2 new Cms each summer, more or less till eternity.

So, be prepared for 2 new Arthurs in 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 etc.

I agree with you but that’s why they are called talents, they may succeed and thay might not. It’s perfectly normal. Only important thing is not to overpay them. IMHO the way Arthur and De Jong play is different than Gomes or Denis, that’s the reason why I am more optimistic but as I said before no one can tell if they will become world class or not, we can only hope.

 

[serghei]

First then people said, look at Madrid, having top class players on their squad like Isco and James without them being definite starters, while we have to suffer everytime a starter is injured or suspended, because the squad is weak. Now we're starting to assemble a pretty formidable squad after losing a star player (Neymar is an asshole but he's a top 5 player in the world easily), and people just find something to complain about. I think we can manage with 3 forwards like Dembele, Griezmann and Suarez, considering Messi plays more as a free roaming no10 these days. It's not written in the stone in the contract that X player needs to play each game. Remember the issue we have with losing steam towards the end of the season? Imagine having one extra class player to count on in those difficult games in CL. Griezmann is like the perfect counter player in away CL games.

And we seem to be forgetting Dembele is 20 years old, jesus. Unless we have an all time great talent here, he won't be that important for us for at least 1-2 more seasons except this one. I think he can accept the possibility that he won't be a certified starter until he's 22-23 years old.

We have 4 attacking players for 3 spots, or even 4 spots in some games. And even in the tough games, injuries are going to happen for sure, suspensions and such. 4 class attacking players for 3 spots is manageable, especially considering that one is a 20 years old player who had an injury ridden season. We're making problems where there aren't any.

Team is set with what we have + Arthur and Griezmann. Sell Paco (his time is done if we sign Griezmann), Gomes, Denis Suarez, Rafinha, Aleix Vidal, and possibly Paulinho after 1 more year. Then we might need an extra CB depending on how great Mina does.

Even more importantly, if we sign Arthur and Griezmann, team is the least Messi-dependent since Ronaldinho days. It would basically be giving Messi the best platform to have a great end of his career, with big trophies and everything.

Griezmann must be got. We'd be set even if Messi gets injured or Suarez gets out of form at the wrong time. Team would still be solid enough to beat anybody.

 

[henias]

Everyone giving their own agenda, but in the end it will be Valverde who calls the shots. I just have a feeling he will force Griezmann as a starter, and sacrifice one of other superstar (most likely Dembele) who generally needs more playing time to integrate.

He wont be treated like Isco or James, considering the huge sum and he is somewhat already a well known and established star.

 

[DonAK]

I think the club decided to act on their own after Lucho's requested transfers mostly turned out to be busts.

Suarez got a contract until 2021 and I don't think he'll get an extension. Might be two seasons left for him at Barca if we let him go a season before it ends, and then Griezmann will be 29 with Dembele 22.

If Valverde can make it all work until then, then well....fantastic. But it's going to get complicated.

 

[Givenchy]

crazy to think last summer we had just lost Neymar, Paulinho signed and AdM was on the horizon.. fast forward to now, we have too many world class players

I'm all for Griezmann but if it means Dembele gets shafted he can stay at Atleti