11 - Neymar Jr. - v4

[dakt]

I dont know what forum you visiting, but he isnt treated like god anywhere lol, neymar is going from overrated to being underrated

The fact that he's so well defended and has special treatment here while others are free to be criticised, should make every sane person wonder.

 

[BBZ8800]

@BBZ

Neymar's big goals this season. I may be forgetting some, so people feel free to correct me.


1. Reduced arrears vs PSG away with a brilliant curler. Crucial goal, very tough opponent.

2. Scored another brilliant opener vs Real Madrid in the Bernabeu. Mega goal, mega opponent.

3. Once Sevilla equalized against us in the first round, he made it 2-1 straight away with a good header. Good goal, good opponent.

4. Made the score 2-1 vs PSG with a brilliant run and finish right before half time. Remember that the draw was a bad result for us. Uber-critical goal vs very, very strong opponent (with all them Verrattis, Lucas, Ibras, Mottas, Silvas, Marquinhos etc etc etc, players that this forum lionizes the whole time)

5. Scored the opener vs Atletico. Nothing spectacular, but a good predatory finish after excellent work from Messi. Super-important goal vs a very good opponent that destroyed our dreams last season.

6. Scored an astonishing equalizer vs Atletico in the away Cup game. You keep repeating that somehow Cup goals do not count, but Simeone and his layers did not seem to agree with you on that day. Full-strength team, and totally livid once they realized there was not coming back for them.

7. Scored the winner vs Atletico in the same game after they were awarded a ludicrous penaldo. Another beautiful and crucial goal against a very strong opponent.

8. Scored the opener vs PSG away in a CL QF. Cool finish to launch our triumph in the tie.

9. Scored a beautiful opener vs PSG in the home game, to further take things away from PSG. Another mega-goal.

10. Scored a very clinical header against PSG again, to bury the tie once and for all. PSG practically almost game up after that which allowed our team to take it easy from there on then.

11. Scored the 0-2 against Sevilla. It should definitely have been the clincher of that game.


He has also scored several other openers and crucial goals vs good opponents etc. Clearly, Neymar's contribution is far greater than what mere stats suggest. Scoring against useless or already defeated opponents is wholly pointless. But many of Neymar's goals have been super-crucial for our very good season so far. There are no two ways about it.

People have problems here, so, in short:
1. Neymar is awesome player
2. Neymar scored a lot of Goals this Season
3. Neymar scored a lot of important goals this Season
4. Neymar is one of the top 5 players in the world currently
5. Neymar is probably the best young players in the world

But the part which you are missing:
= his stats about Goal's scored are not that impressive as some of you make it out to be, considering:
1. that he plays alongside Messi and Suarez and how many space each player now has
2. that he plays in a Barca+La liga where the differences are larger and larger each Season

So, I don't have problems with posts how Ney is the best young player, how he scores important Goals, how he is good for us etc.
But posts like: he scored more than any Barca's attacker (Etoo, Ronaldinho etc), well that part is causing problems, at least for me.

They played in era where goals weren't as easy as today.
I posted the other day, in 2005, Ronnie and Etoo had only a few matches with 4:0 and 4:1.
They never managed to score 5, 6, 7 or 8.
We scored 6:0 like how many times this Season?

And no, Ronnie and Etoo weren't scoring that low amounts because they were poor, but because the difference between Barca and Cordoba/Almeria from that era were smaller.

This is why overhailing Ney and current players is somewhat annoying and imo disrespectful towards our former players.
But since some fans probably didn't watch young Etoo from 2004-05 and 05-06, they probably don't consider him as "our" player in the way how they consider current players like Messi/Neymar as "our" players.

I don't get in one way, people are so offended when we say something bad about Ney.
But when others say bad about Etoo, or when they compare Ney's and CR7's numbers with Etoo's, there is nothing wrong with that.
That is not an offense, right?

As always, a huge bias towards current players.

 

[JamDav1982]

The fact that he's so well defended and has special treatment here while others are free to be criticised, should make any sane person wonder.

Doesnt get any special treatment.

Its the opposite, he is the one player on the team that gets insane levels of criticism in relation to his performances on the pitch.

 

[JamDav1982]

People have problems here, so, in short:
1. Neymar is awesome player
2. Neymar scored a lot of Goals this Season
3. Neymar scored a lot of important goals this Season
4. Neymar is one of the top 5 players in the world currently
5. Neymar is probably the best young players in the world

But the part which you are missing:
= his stats about Goal's scored are not that impressive as some of you make it out to be, considering:
1. that he plays alongside Messi and Suarez and how many space each player now has
2. that he plays in a Barca+La liga where the differences are larger and larger each Season

So, I don't have problems with posts how Ney is the best young player, how he scores important Goals, how he is good for us etc.
But posts like: he scored more than any Barca's attacker (Etoo, Ronaldinho etc), well that part is causing problems, at least for me.

They played in era where goals weren't as easy as today.
I posted the other day, in 2005, Ronnie and Etoo had only a few matches with 4:0 and 4:1.
They never managed to score 5, 6, 7 or 8.
We scored 6:0 like how many times this Season?

And no, Ronnie and Etoo weren't scoring that low amounts because they were poor, but because the difference between Barca and Cordoba/Almeria from that era were smaller.

This is why overhailing Ney and current players is somewhat annoying and imo disrespectful towards our former players.
But since some fans probably didn't watch young Etoo from 2004-05 and 05-06, they probably don't consider him as "our" player in the way how they consider current players like Messi/Neymar as "our" players.

I don't get in one way, people are so offended when we say something bad about Ney.
But when others say bad about Etoo, or when they compare Ney's and CR7's numbers with Etoo's, there is nothing wrong with that.
That is not an offense, right?

As always, a huge bias towards current players.

BBZ do you think out with Barca La Liga is weaker as a whole than ten years ago?

Do you agree the top 5/6 teams are better than 5 years ago and the CL a higher standard?

 

[Barcalove]

The fact that he's so well defended and has special treatment here while others are free to be criticised, should make every sane person wonder.

Special treatment? Even the mod/admin/owner , keeps encouraging people to criticize neymar

 

[BBZ8800]

Neymar has the best conversion rate of all 3 strikers at Barca (and possibly the best conversion rate in Europe for players with 20+ goals).

I don't get why Neymar keeps getting singled out every week, of course he can improve his overall play. But so can 81 million Suarez, who has the worst passing accuracy on the team and seems to misplace 5 yard passes my grandma could make. Is it because his hair is not flamboyant, and he runs around a lot and shows 'hunger'?

Try to read other forums, not Barca's forum.

For example, on Barca's forum, Ney is hailed more than Suarez, right?
While on Bayern's forum, they say that they are afraid of crazy cannibal Suarez and Messi.
No one said that he is afraid of Neymar.

That is the problem.

For example, Xavi is Xavi everywhere.
People respect him everywhere (of course, he is hailed here slightly more, as any players, but still..)

But some players are hailed here much more than outside of this forum.
Like Bartra, who is not recognized or rated at all outside this forum.
And Ney, who is a semigod here, while some other fans talk about him as just meh or nothing special.

People ask why we count only Ney's misses?
= because he is currently the most overhyped Barca player, by OUR fans

(I could be wrong, this is how I see it)

Question: why are Bayern fans not afraid of Ney?
= are they jealous or what?

 

[Barcalove]

BBZ do you think out with Barca La Liga is weaker as a whole than ten years ago?

Do you agree the top 5/6 teams are better than 5 years ago and the CL a higher standard?

Of course he wont, neymar has more hard opposition goals than etoo also, that would cancel his entire argument

 

[JamDav1982]

Try to read other forums, not Barca's forum.

For example, on Barca's forum, Ney is hailed more than Suarez, right?
While on Bayern's forum, they say that they are afraid of crazy cannibal Suarez and Messi.
No one said that he is afraid of Neymar.

That is the problem.

For example, Xavi is Xavi everywhere.
People respect him everywhere (of course, he is hailed here slightly more, as any players, but still..)

But some players are hailed here much more than outside of this forum.
Like Bartra, who is not recognized or rated at all outside this forum.
And Ney, who is a semigod here, while some other fans talk about him as just meh or nothing special.

People ask why we count only Ney's misses?
= because he is currently the most overhyped Barca player, by OUR fans

(I could be wrong, this is how I see it)

Neymar isnt hailed more than Suarez on here.

Even yesterday people were speaking about Suarez only being second to Messi in 2015.

You keep doing this in trying to play off players against each other when no one is doing that.

 

[Gasgas]

BBZ do you think out with Barca La Liga is weaker as a whole than ten years ago?

Do you agree the top 5/6 teams are better than 5 years ago and the CL a higher standard?

I think i am having a deja vu of this discussion from a few pages back

 

[Barcalove]

Try to read other forums, not Barca's forum.

For example, on Barca's forum, Ney is hailed more than Suarez, right?
While on Bayern's forum, they say that they are afraid of crazy cannibal Suarez and Messi.
No one said that he is afraid of Neymar.

That is the problem.

For example, Xavi is Xavi everywhere.
People respect him everywhere (of course, he is hailed here slightly more, as any players, but still..)

But some players are hailed here much more than outside of this forum.
Like Bartra, who is not recognized or rated at all outside this forum.
And Ney, who is a semigod here, while some other fans talk about him as just meh or nothing special.

People ask why we count only Ney's misses?
= because he is currently the most overhyped Barca player, by OUR fans

(I could be wrong, this is how I see it)

Lol they wont watch Barça, all they saw was the recently golazos that Suarez scored, and Xavi was a legend for many years, cant compare to neymar second season in europe

 

[BBZ8800]

Neymar isnt hailed more than Suarez on here.

Even yesterday people were speaking about Suarez only being second to Messi in 2015.

I never created a poll, I am not good at it.
Can someone please open a poll and ask people who would they pick as our 2nd best player/or 2nd most valuable player this Season 2014/15 (except Messi, of course)
-- and put only Ney and Suarez in the poll

Let's see whom Barcaforum rates more, Ney or Sukki.

Thanks (if someone will do it)

 

[Gasgas]

How can bayern fans' opinion be a reliable tool, they probably dont even watch barca games

 

[JamDav1982]

I never created a poll, I am not good at it.
Can someone please open a poll and ask people who would they pick as our 2nd best player/or 2nd most valuable player this Season 2014/15 (except Messi, of course)
-- and put only Ney and Suarez in the poll

Let's see whom Barcaforum rates more, Ney or Sukki.

Thanks (if someone will do it)

Across the season it will have been Neymar but as of now and in 2015 Suarez is only second to Messi.

Suarez missed too many games to have been more influential across the season as a whole.

 

[dakt]

Doesnt get any special treatment.

Its the opposite, he is the one player on the team that gets insane levels of criticism in relation to his performances on the pitch.

Not true at all. We used to bitch a lot about Suarez, some veterans here are on constant criticism (Busi, Iniesta, Mascherano...), but hey, nobody cares.
But as soon as you touch Neymar, labels are being thrown at you.

Personally I don't mind being wrong. In fact, I hope I am and Neyboy blasts everybody on Wednesday.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not true at all. We used to bitch a lot about Suarez, some veterans here are on constant criticism (Busi, Iniesta, Mascherano...), but hey, nobody cares.
But as soon as you touch Neymar, labels are being thrown at you.

Personally I don't mind being wrong. In fact, I hope I am and Neyboy blasts everybody on Wednesday.

Busi barely gets any criticism and when he did people argued against it and others backed down.

Masch has been criticised heavily for years and people have stuck up for him.

Iniesta criticism basically extends to him not being same player any more and is largely fair, any time its been over the top people have argued against it.